The true Vegeta/Zarbon gap

[Jeff Styles]

This is why it hard to place them between 20,000-23,000. All is know is Freeza comment both of them teaming up can defeated Vegeta. The gap change upon Vegeta beating up Zarbon and not taking any hits. Though it mainly due to skills as Vegeta have more than just the power advantage. An 10% gap is still rivaling someone right?

 

[ahill1]

Maybe you should lower Zarbon to 23k.

I think a 88% gap works pretty well.

Seems way too close to Vegeta. 88% is barely outside of rivaling.

A 88% gap ( 12% advantage ) is enough to defeat the opponent without much problems. The gap between Vegeta [Saiyan saga] and Goku Kkx2 was less than 88% ( more like 90% ) and look how Vegeta took care of him... was suggested that Vegeta could take out Son Goku in seconds. I'd even say that Zarbon being 90-92% of Vegeta works pretty well.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but when Vegeta was powering up, Zarbon's scouter broken at a reading of 22,000.Afterward Dodoria check on his scouter and it read 24,000.Zarbon commented that power is higher than their.Only 24,000 is higher than their own, not 22,000.
Dodoria:22,000
Zarbon:23,000
Vegeta:24,000
This power chart could works.Freeza mention if Dodoria and Zarbon team up, they can defeat Vegeta.

As for Vegeta knocking Zarbon, it could be Vegeta can sense Chi and Zarbon can't.Giving Vegeta more of an advantage.As well as skills since he been battling while Zarbon, Dodoria, and Cui weren't.

I can see Zarbon at 22k

 

[Jeff Styles]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but when Vegeta was powering up, Zarbon's scouter broken at a reading of 22,000.Afterward Dodoria check on his scouter and it read 24,000.Zarbon commented that power is higher than their.Only 24,000 is higher than their own, not 22,000.
Dodoria:22,000
Zarbon:23,000
Vegeta:24,000
This power chart could works.Freeza mention if Dodoria and Zarbon team up, they can defeat Vegeta.

As for Vegeta knocking Zarbon, it could be Vegeta can sense Chi and Zarbon can't.Giving Vegeta more of an advantage.As well as skills since he been battling while Zarbon, Dodoria, and Cui weren't.

I can see Zarbon at 22k

Same, but then Dodoria has to be at 20,000
As Cui is at 18,000 and Vegeta is at 24,000. A 2,000 difference between all 4 of them.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

Hmm, i like the no ki sense argument

Toriyama made it too close. Vegeta should have been 26k or so

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

You can never change what its written in the manga, therefore whoever changes the the PL of X character is a moron.

 

[p123]

Found this on the official P Canon numbers...

Cui
~ 16,000,000

Dodoria
~ 20,000,000

Zarbon
~ base power 21,000,000
~ transformed 28,000,000

Vegeta
~ suppressed 12,000,000
~ full power 24,000,000
~ zenkai 30,000,000
~ zenkai (2) 40,000,000

 

[GSM123]

I'd say:
Vegeta (Saiyan Saga): 18k
Kiwi: 18,8k
Dodoria: 20k
Zarbon: 21k
Vegeta: 24k
Monster Zarbon: 31,5k
Zenkai Vegeta: 32k

Dodoria freaked out whit Vegeta's 22k, while Zarbon was just nervous. They confirm their inferiority at Vegeta's 24k.
Kiwi and Dodoria were to scared to even try to fight back, that's why they got one shoted. K3 Goku and Vegeta was the same gap from Vegeta and Kiwi, and Vegeta wasn't being one shoted.
Zarbon isn't scared, but is clearly nervous. He couldn't land a single hit on Vegeta, but he was serious he could give Vegeta a good fight.
Zenkai Vegeta states Zarbon is unfocused before he dodge Zarbon's first attack, and tricked a lot to beat Zarbon (Throwing dust on Zarbon's face, spaming blasts, bluffing by calling him weak, etc...) and before Vegeta lands the final hit on Zarbon they do a evenly spar.

 

[p123]

I think Kiwi having a slight edge on Vegeta pre Earth makes sense. Freeza and Co. seem to suggest that in what their statements imply.

Also, the way Vegeta talks about Dodoria, there's no way Pre Earth Vegeta was 90% of him. 80% at minimum. Probably 75% is more accurate. Kiwi and Vegeta together probably can't beat Dodoria in my opinion. Vegeta speaks in a manner which suggests this about Dodoria's power from what I can see.

 

[Void]

Zarbin doesn't mention being surpassed until 24k, and they wrote off 22k and 24k as BS.

 

[SSJ2]

Zarbin doesn't mention being surpassed until 24k, and they wrote off 22k and 24k as BS.

Probably waiting for him to stop powering up imo. Would be weird to say "he's above us now!" at 22k while Vegeta was still revving up.

 

[Void]

But it blew at 22k and they thought it was a malfunction, they weren't expecting it to go higher.

 

[SSJ2]

True, didn't think about that. They thought it was a mistake tho, so you could argue they wouldn't confirm they were surpassed until they knew the reading was accurate.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Yeah, p, I always felt Dodoria was comfortably out of Vegeta's weight class with the way Vegeta talked after blowing him up. Vegeta was so shocked and excited that he was strong enough to easily do what he did to someone on Dodoria's level. With Kiwi, I just always assumed that they were expecting Vegeta to take a shitload of damage even if he ended up winning.

 

[p123]

Exactly EV.

Chapter: 258 (DBZ 64), P1.1
Vegeta: “I killed Dodoria!! Dodoria, so proud of his tremendous strength!! And it was easy!! Heh… My new abilities surprise even me… The battle on Earth wasn’t a waste at all.”


People, Kiwi and Pre Earth Vegeta are nowhere on Dodoria's level. Look at that quote. Dodoria >> Vegeta. Fucking shit, I have Kiwi at 80% of Dodoria and now I'm thinking even that's not enough. Shiiieet.

 

[Pyro]

There just isn't enough room to accommodate all of the implications in between 18k and 24k. You have to give more to one side than another.

 

[p123]

Exactly. This is why I take AT's statements > AT's numbers. His numbers are half good, half trashy. He's not seeing the complete picture like we are able to, studying this nonsense all these years. He is just putting a quick thought into it, he's not sitting there factoring all of this shit out like us.

 

[ahill1]

I think a 88% gap sounds good.

 

[p123]

Yes. Ah, ok. I think I have it now...

Look.

Vegeta (Namek) 24
Zarbon 21
Dodoria 20
Vegeta (Earth) 16
Cui 15
Vegeta (Pre Earth) 14.5

I like these a lot.

 

[theallpowerfulpuipui]

I always thought monster Zarbon was 30k, with Veggie being 28 and regular Zarbon being 26000. Having Vegeta much lower makes little sense as he hit 24k on Earth before the zenkai.