The true Vegeta/Zarbon gap

[ahill1]

Vegeta/Cui 75
Dodoria 100
Zarbon 110
Vegeta 125

That's what I'd go with if there weren't numbers.

 

[p123]

Yep, that's basically what I'm going with. It's just more accurate. I will never understand why you guys hold on so dearly to scouter numbers, it's madness.

 

[ahill1]

I can't make a Freeza saga list and don't follow them. It's like saying "I don't like Freeza being 530k, so I'll say he's Ginyu's equal, since there're a few implications for it". It's more or less the same thing as ignoring the artwork and going with statements you think makes more sense IMO. It's what is shown, so I have to go with it, no matter how "ugly" my numbers must be.

If you think Vegeta would fit better at 27k, then cool, but there rises the question: who's stronger, post Zenkai Vegeta or Kaioken x3 Goku? If you go with your own numbers, then you'd be telling me Vegeta is stronger despite AT pretty much stating (through numbers) that they are equals, therefore you're also going against the so called statements.

Not to say that there's no way to completely disregard them. Where'd you place Captain Ginyu in comparison to base Goku (post gravity training) without using these scouter numbers? Huh?

 

[p123]

Oh I never said to completely throw them out you fool. But use the ones that make sense, and discard the ones that don't. Duh.

I have no problem with majority of them, or their spacing, or suggested spacing. But I won't let a few bad apples ruin the bunch, I simply discard the bad ones and replace them with good.

You have to make decisions.

For example, this Vegeta/Dodoria/Kiwi scenario has driven me nuts.

So now I'm going with this...

Vegeta 24,000
Zarbon 21,000
Dodoria 20,000
Vegeta ( Earth) 16,000
Cui 15,000
Vegeta (Pre Earth) 14,500

It paints the picture AT was trying to paint but didn't put the effort into numerically. He would agree with me.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Doesn't Dodoria say Vegeta was "barely" 18k when they were talking on Namek?

It almost seems like he's completely disregarding Vegeta pre-Namek entirely in comparison to himself. Like, there's no way trash like this can now be above him.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Doesn't Dodoria say Vegeta was "barely" 18k when they were talking on Namek?

It almost seems like he's completely disregarding Vegeta pre-Namek entirely in comparison to himself. Like, there's no way trash like this can now be above him.

 

[p123]

Exactly. Vegeta should be rivals with Kiwi, and both of them should be well below Dodoria. Dodoria is a fucking beast compared to them. If they go at it together, they can put up a fight, but they probably will still lose imo.

I think Vegeta is slightly inferior to Cui, the way they automatically assume Cui will win, Cui's confidence against Vegeta. It seems if anyone has the edge, Cui does, and I'd like to give that to him numerically.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Yeah, Kiwi having a slight edge goes along with his confidence perfectly. Zarbon seems to think Kiwi could take out, or at the very least, seriously fuck up Vegeta. It makes sense for him to have the advantage.

 

[p123]

Exactly.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

Oh I never said to completely throw them out you fool. But use the ones that make sense, and discard the ones that don't. Duh.

I have no problem with majority of them, or their spacing, or suggested spacing. But I won't let a few bad apples ruin the bunch, I simply discard the bad ones and replace them with good.

You have to make decisions.

For example, this Vegeta/Dodoria/Kiwi scenario has driven me nuts.

So now I'm going with this...

Vegeta 24,000
Zarbon 21,000
Dodoria 20,000
Vegeta ( Earth) 16,000
Cui 15,000
Vegeta (Pre Earth) 14,500

It paints the picture AT was trying to paint but didn't put the effort into numerically. He would agree with me.

Let's fly to Japan and make AT a Zeta account

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Those power levels are invalid.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

I agree, we have to deal with scouter numbers + statements

 

[KyuubiAhri]

If Kiwi is so confident with just a 1-3% advantage,what does that tell us about Zarbon and dodoria?

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

They were rivals so it makes sense for Cui to be cocky and since Freeza ordered him to kill Vegeta.

 

[Victorious]

Zarbon can be 21,000.

He should be stronger than Dodoria though....because Dodoria got sooo wrecked.

 

[Victorious]

Exactly. Vegeta should be rivals with Kiwi, and both of them should be well below Dodoria. Dodoria is a fucking beast compared to them. If they go at it together, they can put up a fight, but they probably will still lose imo.

I think Vegeta is slightly inferior to Cui, the way they automatically assume Cui will win, Cui's confidence against Vegeta. It seems if anyone has the edge, Cui does, and I'd like to give that to him numerically.

Why should Dodoria be a total beast compared to Cui and Saiyan arc Vegeta? Why cant he just be a notch or two above?

Its Saiyan arc Vegeta who's the beast. I actually think he would have challenged Dodoria if Dodoria wasn't always by Zarbon and Freeza's side.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Because he's out of shape and less of Youki.

 

[KyuubiAhri]

Still,Frieza thinks that Zarbon and dodoria working together can beat vegeta.So it could work like this
Dodoria,20,750
ZarBONE:21,250

 

[p123]

Because of what Vegeta says about Dodoria. Dodoria is viewed as a beast and he is clearly very dismissive of Vegeta and so was Zarbon. There's nothing in the story that suggests Vegeta/Cui were rivals to Dodoria/Zarbon. Quite the opposite.

Vegeta Namek 24
Zarbon 21
Dodoria 20
Cui 15
Vegeta 14.5

Is how I view the whole scenario. Vegeta is shitted on by them, he's not in the clique and he's the weakest one. That also adds to the dramatic appeal Dragonball has. Not only is that badass supervillain from last saga not the strongest, he's actually the weakest of the bunch! Sells very well.

 

[Kyo]

If Kiwi is so confident with just a 1-3% advantage,what does that tell us about Zarbon and dodoria?

He was overconfident because he thought Vegeta had gotten weaker, to be fair.