The worst asspull in Future Trunks arc ?

[SSJPoo]

Me, like many other fans, find it kind of an aspull, as in, it wasn't clearly on the writter's mind at that time. Vegetto having a time limit was something written now in Super, but it's clear that, in the original manga, nobody was thinking about it, and Akira Toriyama apparently didn't even intend to shed light on this time limit thing, considering he didn't even plan to make Vegetto until Toyotaro brought this up.

Nobody is denying it is the thing NOW, just saying that this idea wasn't present nor even hinted at when the original manga was still kicking and the explanation everyone was going with then was probably the incompabillity thing.

So are you indicating Toriyama just creates pulling random shit out of his ass?

Yes, sometimes. Or are you gonna say me he was always going with Vegetto having a timelimit but didn't even hint this as being the case in the original manga and probably wouldn't even do so if it weren't for Toyotaro's idea in bringing up Vegetto?

I'm saying during that time line he had a huge boner for Gohan, care to disagree?

 

[ahill1]

So are you indicating Toriyama just creates pulling random shit out of his ass?

Yes, sometimes. Or are you gonna say me he was always going with Vegetto having a timelimit but didn't even hint this as being the case in the original manga and probably wouldn't even do so if it weren't for Toyotaro's idea in bringing up Vegetto?

I'm saying during that time line he had a huge boner for Gohan, care to disagree?

Don't even know what you are talking about.

 

[SSJPoo]

Yes, sometimes. Or are you gonna say me he was always going with Vegetto having a timelimit but didn't even hint this as being the case in the original manga and probably wouldn't even do so if it weren't for Toyotaro's idea in bringing up Vegetto?

I'm saying during that time line he had a huge boner for Gohan, care to disagree?

Don't even know what you are talking about.

I'm saying FT Arc is a small bit of Trunks fame. During that given time Toriyama was more invested in building Gohan. Are you on dope?

 

[ahill1]

I'm saying during that time line he had a huge boner for Gohan, care to disagree?

Don't even know what you are talking about.

I'm saying FT Arc is a small bit of Trunks fame. During that given time Toriyama was more invested in building Gohan. Are you on dope?

Building him for what?

 

[SSJPoo]

Don't even know what you are talking about.

I'm saying FT Arc is a small bit of Trunks fame. During that given time Toriyama was more invested in building Gohan. Are you on dope?

Building him for what?

I don't maybe for the chamber and to unleash hidden power and ascend to Super Saiyan 2.

Maybe you're right, thats Naruto not Dragonball Z.

 

[ahill1]

Sure Daniel, Sure.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

The manga and anime just made an assumption that's all. Daizenshuu is a secondary source so that's OK but with Toriyama this time makes things clear > Daizenshuu.

There was no answer on what happened to Vegito inside Boo's body. Super merely explained it and yet fans find it ridiculous.

Me, like many other fans, find it kind of an aspull, as in, it wasn't clearly on the writter's mind at that time. Vegetto having a time limit was something written now in Super, but it's clear that, in the original manga, nobody was thinking about it, and Akira Toriyama apparently didn't even intend to shed light on this time limit thing, considering he didn't even plan to make Vegetto until Toyotaro brought this up.

Nobody is denying it is the thing NOW, just saying that this idea wasn't present nor even hinted at when the original manga was still kicking and the explanation everyone was going with then was probably the incompabillity thing.

And they explained Vegito's defusion which should solve the mystery around the Potara but noped, fans still salty about it just because they felt that it was some sort of contradiction even though its not. Whether Toriyama intended to use Vegito again or not is irrelevant what matters is that they finally came up a good explanation of Potara's weakness. Thank God!

 

[Keedounan]

The manga and anime just made an assumption that's all. Daizenshuu is a secondary source so that's OK but with Toriyama this time makes things clear > Daizenshuu.

There was no answer on what happened to Vegito inside Boo's body. Super merely explained it and yet fans find it ridiculous.

Me, like many other fans, find it kind of an aspull, as in, it wasn't clearly on the writter's mind at that time. Vegetto having a time limit was something written now in Super, but it's clear that, in the original manga, nobody was thinking about it, and Akira Toriyama apparently didn't even intend to shed light on this time limit thing, considering he didn't even plan to make Vegetto until Toyotaro brought this up.

Nobody is denying it is the thing NOW, just saying that this idea wasn't present nor even hinted at when the original manga was still kicking and the explanation everyone was going with then was probably the incompabillity thing.

And they explained Vegito's defusion which should solve the mystery around the Potara but noped, fans still salty about it just because they felt that it was some sort of contradiction even though its not. Whether Toriyama intended to use Vegito again or not is irrelevant what matters is that they finally came up a good explanation of Potara's weakness. Thank God!

Fearless, I like you, but your tendency to defend Super can be quite ludicrous at times.

Does the time limit answers one of the question on the DBVerse ? Yes. Is it a good writing ? Nope. An asspull that explains something is still an asspull, and that's what this thread is about. The rest is irrelevant. In addition, the time limit was completely pointless:

1)If they wanted to come up with an answer for the defusion of Vegetto, as ahill stated, they could have just gone with Goku's assumption and expanded on it with Boo's incompatibility with the Kaioshin.

2)If they wanted a fusion with a time limit, they could have just gone with Gogeta. And as Gogeta is an extremely popular character, making him canon would have made for good fanservice, arguably even better than simply bringing back Vegetto.

But no, they prefer to bring back Vegetto just to make him a jobber with an half-assed explanation.

And as I said earlier, because of that, the whole cast looks like a bunch of idiots since there is nothing that justifies not using the potaras every time they need it, especially right now, in a tournament in which the stakes are the survival of their universe. There could have been rules that prevent them from using them...but here is Kefla, who is making a freaking Super Saiyan God look like a total pansy ! Eight universes, and each of them have access to at least 1 set of Potaras, yet Champa is the only one smart enough to think about using them ? Is there any wonder that Zen'O wanted to blast these idiots to oblivion ?

The time limit is one of the worst decisions AT, Toei and Toyotaro ever took, no matter how you look at it.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Fearless, I like you, but your tendency to defend Super can be quite ludicrous at times.

Does the time limit answers one of the question on the DBVerse ? Yes. Is it a good writing ? Nope. An asspull that explains something is still an asspull, and that's what this thread is about. The rest is irrelevant. In addition, the time limit was completely pointless:

Was it a good writing from DBZ part to left it unanswered? Nope. Does the new time limit of Potara for mortals sounds contradiction to you? Because to me to me its not since its Toriyama's fault from 90s for not explaining about it and since he and others from 2016 came up a better explanation of Vegito's defusion than just Goku's assumption.

1)If they wanted to come up with an answer for the defusion of Vegetto, as ahill stated, they could have just gone with Goku's assumption and expanded on it with Boo's incompatibility with the Kaioshin.

They could but they didn't so it doesn't matter since they did nothing wrong with their new explanation and its not contradiction. I would have agree with you had Goku's assumption is said to be fact from Z on hand and call out Toriyama and others bullshit but this is taking too far since their explanation doesn't contradict anything other than Elder Kaioshin's knowledge about it.

2)If they wanted a fusion with a time limit, they could have just gone with Gogeta. And as Gogeta is an extremely popular character, making him canon would have made for good fanservice, arguably even better than simply bringing back Vegetto.

But no, they prefer to bring back Vegetto just to make him a jobber with an half-assed explanation.

This is just an opinion and I would love it too but it is what it is.

And as I said earlier, because of that, the whole cast looks like a bunch of idiots since there is nothing that justifies not using the potaras every time they need it, especially right now, in a tournament in which the stakes are the survival of their universe. There could have been rules that prevent them from using them...but here is Kefla, who is making a freaking Super Saiyan God look like a total pansy ! Eight universes, and each of them have access to at least 1 set of Potaras, yet Champa is the only one smart enough to think about using them ? Is there any wonder that Zen'O wanted to blast these idiots to oblivion ?

The time limit is one of the worst decisions AT, Toei and Toyotaro ever took, no matter how you look at it.

There are lot of stupidity decision in the series especially with the Saiyans given their pride lol. How many times did Vegeta screwed everyone from Cell arc? Vegeta knocked out Goku before he went on to fight Boo because of why? Goku didn't want anyone to interfere against his match with Piccolo jr so he can ''fight him fairly'', the Kaioshins offered Goku and Vegeta a Potara earings against Pure Boo and they rejected it and went far for destroying it as well, why? PRIDE!

Them not using Potara is nothing new.

 

[Keedounan]

Fearless, I like you, but your tendency to defend Super can be quite ludicrous at times.

Does the time limit answers one of the question on the DBVerse ? Yes. Is it a good writing ? Nope. An asspull that explains something is still an asspull, and that's what this thread is about. The rest is irrelevant. In addition, the time limit was completely pointless:

Was it a good writing from DBZ part to left it unanswered? Nope. Does the new time limit of Potara for mortals sounds contradiction to you? Because to me to me its not since its Toriyama's fault from 90s for not explaining about it and since he and others from 2016 came up a better explanation of Vegito's defusion than just Goku's assumption.

It's not like there wasn't any other way to explain it, though. The problem isn't about it being contradictory. It's about the explanation coming out of nowhere. No build-up, no foreshadowing. AT simply shoved it to our face with Gowasu stating in a "as-a-matter-of-fact" tone as if it should have been obvious from the beginning.

Bad writing.

They could but they didn't so it doesn't matter since they did nothing wrong with their new explanation and its not contradiction.

The fact that they made the choice to go with an explanation coming out of nowhere instead of one that was already built upon with others elements of the arc is exactly what is wrong with this. Add to that the fact AT took twenty years to come with an explanation, and this decision is one of his biggest mistakes.

I would have agree with you had Goku's assumption is said to be fact from Z on hand and call out Toriyama and others bullshit but this is taking too far since their explanation doesn't contradict anything other than Elder Kaioshin's knowledge about it.

Which is just another reason to call it bad writing with Elder Kai's vast knowledge on the universe. But Gowasu somehow knowing about it because Elder Kai spent 75 millions of years trapped in a sword is an acceptable argument.

This is just an opinion and I would love it too but it is what it is.

Which is why I said "arguably". But the main point is, they didn't need to put a time limit on potara fusion when there is already a temporary fusion available.

There are lot of stupidity decision in the series especially with the Saiyans given their pride lol. How many times did Vegeta screwed everyone from Cell arc? Vegeta knocked out Goku before he went on to fight Boo because of why? Goku didn't want anyone to interfere against his match with Piccolo jr so he can ''fight him fairly'', the Kaioshins offered Goku and Vegeta a Potara earings against Pure Boo and they rejected it and went far for destroying it as well, why? PRIDE!

Them not using Potara is nothing new.

Even then, Goku and Vegeta knew when to swallow their pride in urgent situations (read as: situations they think they couldn't possibly handle alone).

Goku never wanted to fight Super Boo head on unless they fuse. Vegeta hide from Freeza for most of the Namek arc, because he knew that he was no match for him.

In BoG, Vegeta practiced a dance in order to spare the Earth from destruction, and Goku accepts to take everyone else's energy, even though he's clearly not happy about it for obvious reasons.

Let's not talk about Gattai Zamasu.

Besides, what about everyone else in U7 ? What about the rest of the multiverse ? Why don't they use those ? Why don't they suggest to use those, especially Beerus, who is VERY adamant about his fighters doing anything they can to win ?

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

It's not like there wasn't any other way to explain it, though. The problem isn't about it being contradictory. It's about the explanation coming out of nowhere. No build-up, no foreshadowing. AT simply shoved it to our face with Gowasu stating in a "as-a-matter-of-fact" tone as if it should have been obvious from the beginning.

Bad writing.

So you and others have a problem about it because there was no build up whatsoever? The build up was there, Vegito defusion is the build up where Super finally found a way to explain it without contradicting the original statements and somehow that still bothers a lot of you. Gowasu stating it as a fact is simply because its a common knowledge to them that is the U10 and other Kaioshins as well and we found out that Elder Kaioshin is not an omniscient at all since he doesn't know what Magetta is made up and thought that he must a robot or something in which the U6 Kaioshin told him that its a creature that can be found in U7 as well. In other words, not all Kaioshins have a perfect knowledge at all and its ok if they're wrong too.

The fact that they made the choice to go with an explanation coming out of nowhere instead of one that was already built upon with others elements of the arc is exactly what is wrong with this. Add to that the fact AT took twenty years to come with an explanation, and this decision is one of his biggest mistakes.

There's no need a build up if none from U7 [except maybe Beerus and Whis] know the reason of Potara's time limit other than an assumption. It was Goku of all people who made came up with Potara's time limit with Boo's air not Elder Kaioshin therefore he can be wrong as well. The obsess with this built up is ridiculous for a small thing. As long as there's no contradiction then its fine, nothing to worry about.

Which is just another reason to call it bad writing with Elder Kai's vast knowledge on the universe. But Gowasu somehow knowing about it because Elder Kai spent 75 millions of years trapped in a sword is an acceptable argument.

It just proves that Gowasu > Elder Kaioshin in terms of knowledge that's all. Given that Gowasu keeps observing the mortals and Elder Kaioshin is busy reading some dirty magazines then why not?

Which is why I said "arguably". But the main point is, they didn't need to put a time limit on potara fusion when there is already a temporary fusion available.

Merged Zamasu is a Potara fusion and it makes sense for Goku and Vegeta to use the Potara as well.

Even then, Goku and Vegeta knew when to swallow their pride in urgent situations (read as: situations they think they couldn't possibly handle alone).

Goku never wanted to fight Super Boo head on unless they fuse. Vegeta hide from Freeza for most of the Namek arc, because he knew that he was no match for him.

In BoG, Vegeta practiced a dance in order to spare the Earth from destruction, and Goku accepts to take everyone else's energy, even though he's clearly not happy about it for obvious reasons.

Let's not talk about Gattai Zamasu.

Its a cherry picking thing and I've given an example where both made a lot of stupid choices because its not their style. Moreover, Goku and Vegeta still refuse to do Potara fusion against Merged Zamasu in the manga despite the situations they were in, what do you call it? Stupidity.

Goku learned that the DBs can defuse a Potara fusion so him not using the Potara is nothing to do with the time limit but his pride.

Besides, what about everyone else in U7 ? What about the rest of the multiverse ? Why don't they use those ? Why don't they suggest to use those, especially Beerus, who is VERY adamant about his fighters doing anything they can to win ?

Wait tomorrow's episode about their reactions on Potara.

 

[Keedounan]

Let's agree to disagree then.

 

[SSJ2]

Was Fearless really trying to defend the potara bullshit? lmao can't say I'm surprised, fucking clown.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Was Fearless really trying to defend the potara bullshit? lmao can't say I'm surprised, fucking clown.

There was no answer why Vegito defused other than an assumption of Goku and others and Toriyama/Toyotaro came up a better explanation which is now a fact and doesn't contradict what happened to Z but fans like you are still butthurt about it.

 

[SSJ2]

Because Old Kaioshin is so cynical he told Goku it would be permanent.

 

[Keedounan]

We've got the confirmation that everyone in the multiverse is stupid. At least Kaioshin and Beetus have a somewhat valid motive (they could lose two warriors if the fusion proves to be too weak), but the others still act arrogant.

No wonder Zen'O wanted to blast these idiots.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

We've got the confirmation that everyone in the multiverse is stupid. At least Kaioshin and Beetus have a somewhat valid motive (they could lose two warriors if the fusion proves to be too weak), but the others still act arrogant.

No wonder Zen'O wanted to blast these idiots.

Especially Ea Kaioshin aka the geek one.