Things Super/GT did better or worse

[Papasmurf]

This topic's debated like crazy now that Super's surpassed GT's episode count, so I'm just going to make a thread for it since it comes up now and then on these parts too.

Super

- better fight scenes

Spoiler

While GT's fights are more on model the majority of them are just dull to a criminally abhorrent extent. Also, while Super at least tried to tone down the ridiculousness of certain scenes like Sorbet's ray gun by having Galu power down, GT's never tried to stop and wonder to themselves if they aren't straight up pulling crap feats like the infamous SSJ4 cut by glass scene. And most fights in GT are atrocious in a number of other ways that Super generally doesn't suffer from, base Saiyan fight scenes being probably the most prevalent. Of course, this doesn't apply to everything since Super has episode 5 and most of the Beerus and FnF arcs in general barring SSJB Vegeta vs. Golden Freeza which was good. One thing Super suffers from is that most fights don't last very long though, but I'd rather take the short fights over base Goku dicking around for 10 episodes with 4 transformations in store.

- More vibrant colors.

- New characters being more memorable.

Spoiler

I basically skipped the Blackstar DBs arc, and never devoted myself to binge watching the trash that is GT, but even with that said GT's horrible cast of alien characters are not only unmemorable but add to the super dull, claw my eyes out atmosphere of GT. Can't think of any that I find significant except Baby, Metallic Dildo, Myu, S17 and a few of the evil dragons, and even then I only remember most of these guys because I hated them to no end. Super's additions to the cast are way way more significant although it is annoying that the worst ones like Winnie the Pooh and the robot weren't killed off

- Better slice of life stuff, and better character interactions. I hated all of early GT for fucking these up.

- Better side character treatment

Spoiler

Most side characters in GT pretty much exist to either fuel Goku or Baby or whatever with their fap energy, or to fap off the former and get their asses kicked. #18 being the rare exception, but even then it was a moment of horrendous writing.

- Old concepts usually better utilized

Spoiler

The only decent concept GT came up with was the evil dragons while S17 will leave a permanent shit stain on GT's originality. Super's plot holes seem just as grave, and at times graver than a lot of GT's, but barring FnF, it's come up with mostly better concepts although they have a tendency to fuck up major like Episode 66.

- Less Goku wank

- More entertaining and more discussing value in general.

- Pandered to the tired formula slightly less because each and every arc in GT is a ripoff of something from the original series.

- Super Saiyan 2 is something the writers actually remember. In GT, it's always Super Saiyan 1 for everybody after fucking around in base for half the episode and then some, and Goku dishes out SSJ4 at random moments when pressured. Super Saiyan 3 exists in like 2 episodes.

- Expands the series better. The BSDB arc is torturous as far as space travel goes and all the future arcs just led to a series of random shit happening on Earth while Super's got 12 universes to explore.


GT

- More on model animation

- less goofy soundtracks

- Doesn't have a shit blue recolor of SSJ

- character designs, while still goofy, seem to actually age them correctly from Z, whereas everyone who hasn't passed puberty by the Boo arc is doomed to stay 3 foot tall midgets until the inevitable timeskip pre-Oob

- Deaths usually seemed to have more weight, although the insufferable Goku wank at its end makes this almost a moot point

- Character writing sucks slightly less for Vegeta and Goku, although the latter is still a fucking idiot.

- No Whis or Zeno button

I prefer Super by a bit at the moment, used to be pretty significantly but the bullshit ending to the Black saga made it a bit harder to say.

 

[SSJ2]

- less goofy soundtracks

Agreed, but they also seem to overuse the fuck out of all of their tracks.

 

[Papasmurf]

Yeah they seem too have like 5 songs after losing the other 100 in a rainstorm or something.

 

[SSJ2]

For me currently I have Super above Gt, but not by much.

Super: 3
GT: 2

 

[Papasmurf]

Put my paragraphs in spoilers so less ppl will just skip the OP

Yeah, I'd say something like that makes sense. I applaud Super for getting better while GT just seemed to suck harder and harder after Baby, but if more arc finales suck balls like Episode 66 did that might get thrown out the window.

 

[SSJ2]

Yeah, one good arc doesn't make the show IMO. It seems like there is still a good amount to come, so there are many chances for Toei to fuck up. Plus right now hype is probably boosting this show because it's brand new.

 

[Papasmurf]

Another thing that's worth noting is that while this arc had a decent plot outside of complete bullshit like the last episode or Trunks's character in general, the way they jumped from timeline to timeline probably made it slightly annoying to watch in bulk and not week by week. Essentially they'd repeat the action --> Beerus time --> action --> more shit in the past --> action crap to the point it got tiresome. I still prefer this to a lot of the pointless arcs in later Z where it's straightforward killing the bad guy and wishing everyone back, but it wasn't structurally great either.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

DragonBall-Super is probably better, even-though weirdly enough I've been feeling rather nostalgiac for DragonBall GT for some-reason (even-though I never really watched the show, I was that disappointed & had other things to do). DragonBall GT's ending will definitely be hard to top though. That was the best one in my opinion. Just for pure emotion.

 

[Papasmurf]

GT was way more boring and probably sucked more overall, but in terms of emotion it usually did better I agree. Piccolo's death in GT makes most deaths in Super look like shit (and maybe even DB/Z's), and although I hated GT's ending for wanking Goku to biblical levels and making him desert his family AGAIN, I admit they did a good job pandering to nostalgia.

I mean, it still comes off as a cheap Hollywood flick ending, but still more FEELS than abrupt bullshit like Goku and Vegeta's kids dying in a planet explosion and whatnot.

 

[Papasmurf]

But on that token I also think Super is still a better nostalgia trip overall. Bringing the Pilaf crew back as children and even utilizing a future one of them, and surprisingly not creating a contradiction out of that is better use of old characters than GT ever did.

I still give GT an edge in stuff like the transformations department or in emotion, but it gets hard to celebrate those in GT's mass disappointment in so many other areas, and Goku's mary sueness ironicall clashing with GT giving him nonsense feats like getting burned or frozen by dumb shit and being threatened by a thrown clock. I personally never understood people saying GT was on par with Z or better or some dumb shit for those reasons, youd have to be on drugs and/or be 12 years old to enjoy them on the same level imo

 

[Fantastische Hure]

The manga made sense out of Future Mai.

 

[Papasmurf]

Goku-Black and Zamasu are hugging it out in celebration of that feat

 

[Void]

I still prefer Super to GT as well.

That scene in GT where base Goku is contemplating fighting Si Xing Long or "risking" a jump (Instead of blowing it away with a blast) through a slowly moving metal fan is one of the stupidest things I've seen in DB.

 

[theallpowerfulpuipui]

Gt: Baby Saga is 3rd best arc in Dragonball
Super: Holy shit did you look at Bulma??

 

[Mystic]

From what I've seen, I'd say GT looks a lot kewler and had kewler villains.

Super gives me literal heartburn. It looks like shit every five seconds.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

From what I've seen, I'd say GT looks a lot kewler and had kewler villains.

Super gives me literal heartburn. It looks like shit every five seconds.

No

 

[Mystic]

From what I've seen, I'd say GT looks a lot kewler and had kewler villains.

Super gives me literal heartburn. It looks like shit every five seconds.

No

Amazing argument. I'm convinced!

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

From what I've seen, I'd say GT looks a lot kewler and had kewler villains.

Super gives me literal heartburn. It looks like shit every five seconds.

No

Amazing argument. I'm convinced!

 

[SSJ2]

A couple new comments.

The most irksome thing I find about GT is that the Saiyans always draw the fights out in Base for no good reason, or at least don't use full power even though they acknowledge the opponent is superior. However, GT is better in that there aren't nearly as many random power ups. For example when Goku needs to get stronger, he surpasses his limits with the help of other SSJs. It's still a cancerous system, but at the very least there is a reason given for the power up. Also there's no ROSAT abuse.

Both of them have absolute trash power scaling, but I find GT's is easier to follow when Goku isn't switching from sSJ4 to Base every other minute.

 

[Papasmurf]

Goku going from below Oob in SSJ3 to way above him in SSJ sounds pretty random to me, but then again S17 is probably the worst arc ever produced even for Toei.