Vegeta Saga Discussion

[FeatsofPower]

The question is stupid because he likely can't punch it back. I agree with GSM. Deflecting it is obviously more impressive.

Raditz can’t punch it back?

 

[Pakl]

Raditz can’t punch it back?

No. Hence why he blocked it.

 

[FeatsofPower]

No. Hence why he blocked it.

He can deflect it though, right?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Why didn’t he deflect it then?

 

[FeatsofPower]

Why didn’t he deflect it then?

Why do fighters block if they can tank?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Why do fighters block if they can tank?

This is different though. Raditz is running away and wants nothing to do with the Kamehameha.

 

[Pakl]

Why do fighters block if they can tank?

Because they can't tank or don't want to get dusted.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Because they can't tank or don't want to get dusted.

So Post Rosat Ssj Trunks can't tank Future 18's blast?

 

[Pakl]

So Post Rosat Ssj Trunks can't tank Future 18's blast?

Which blast?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

After the Cell Games when Trunks goes kill the future twins. 18 fires a blast and he punches it away.

 

[Hector]

Masenko did no damage and nothing tops an Enraged Gohan's full power. Despite Kikoho failing, Piccolo still thought Gohan would be the one to defeat the Saiyans.

So that definitely can't work.

Just look what Kikoho did to Nappa.

 

[SIAD]

Did Gohan's Masenko in the Saiyan Arc have a lower multiplier compared to later Arcs?

 

[FeatsofPower]

Did Gohan's Masenko in the Saiyan Arc have a lower multiplier compared to later Arcs?

It should be the same amp in both arcs.

 

[Goku9001]

Ki blasts don’t bounce off like basketballs do. They land and blow up.

Deflecting is more impressive than blocking. Blocking you’re just neutralizing the force, deflecting you’re not only neutralizing but adding force in the other direction.

I think you're omitting the fact that deflecting the Masenko made it so that it didn't detonate on Nappa because had it detonated, his hand would have sustained even more damage. I think Nappa could stop it with his hand but he would have suffered moderate damage from that.

 

[ahill1]

Punching a basketball back when it's flying at you with high speed could potentially harm your arm way moreso than blocking it. You're punching something that's going your direction like a basketball and the force you put into your fist is going to add to the tension you feel in your arms due to action and reaction force... So much so if you pull your hands backwards a little while blocking it, it'll lessen the impact... Not to mention your hands are open, so the contact area is bigger.

But I don't sweat in placing gaps to someone deflecting the other's attack. 23rd Budokai Goku could deflect a chi blast from Tenshinhan easily when he had his weights on iirc. Vegeta could also deflect Zarbon's attack. Maybe their deflection technique is meant to lessen the impact felt since they aren't changing the blasts course entirely, more like adding their strength to where the blast is aiming for more or less (iirc the situations exactly), while Nappa changed the trajectory of the Masenko, so his punching strength needed to bear the impact and change it other way, with his arm numbing being due to the force you put to punch something being also felt by the reaction force of the attack.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Yeah the detonation force should be in consideration.

Blocking it like 50% Freeza did is more harmful because of exposure time.

 

[Goku9001]

I mean, deflecting the blast obviously made it so that Nappa sustained less damage. That is the context we are given based on Vegeta telling him that he shouldn't take the attack. Gohan's attack was just strong enough that it was still capable of damaging Nappa regardless of it not detonating.

 

[FeatsofPower]

I can't go any lower than that with Piccolo.

How strong is Enraged Gohan?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Vegeta telling him that he shouldn't take the attack.

That didn’t happen though.

 

[Goku9001]

That didn’t happen though.

Oh yeah, guess it didn't. I misremembered. The point still remains the same. Deflecting the attack allowed him to mitigate the damage because if he took it directly, it would've detonated right on him. From a defensive standpoint, tanking it like Raditz did against Goku's Kamehameha would be more impressive. That's why the most impressive feats are tanking feats and not strictly deflecting feats.