Vegeta's Power Level vs. First Form Freeza
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We did see Goku at 60,000 pick apart two levels of 40,000 with ease. So, Vegeta needs to be at least closer than that to catch Freeza's punch. :elmo
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450,000. To me it felt like Vegeta wasn't quite equal to Frieza, but they still would've had a chance if Vegeta hadn't asked Frieza to transform for... some reason.
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Hercule survived a punch from Perfect Cell and Kid Boo.ryan1227 said:
Gaps do not scale linearly; hence why the type of logic 'what should have been', isn't reliable. The sources it requires to justify its point contradict themselves.
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Just drop Hercule scene already.Saylé said:
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You're trying to argue that Vegeta fighting Freeza with a lower battle power is impossible, yet the merits that construct the foundation for your argument collapse on themselves through the own story's narrative. In other-words, this means that your theory about power levels scaling linearly is incorrect.
If this wasn't the case, your formula would be correct 100% of the time, it isn't, meaning it's wrong.
As long as certain fights depict what you're arguing, you're willing to believe them. But when your gaps and battle powers contradict themselves, after analyzing said fights, you're willing to disregard them.
That's hypocrisy.
If this wasn't the case, your formula would be correct 100% of the time, it isn't, meaning it's wrong.
As long as certain fights depict what you're arguing, you're willing to believe them. But when your gaps and battle powers contradict themselves, after analyzing said fights, you're willing to disregard them.
That's hypocrisy.
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For your theory to be true, it cannot be hypocritical. Because certain fights contradict each other in the terms of what should of happened based upon 'this and that', this means that your theory is not reliable and that gaps do not scale linearly.
Would Einsteins theory of General Relativity be considered fact if it contradicted itself? Nope. Same thing here.
Gaps do not scale linearly and they never will. You cannot determine that 'well this should of happened because of this prior event', there are too many varying factors to even consider that to be a reliable source of information.
Would Einsteins theory of General Relativity be considered fact if it contradicted itself? Nope. Same thing here.
Gaps do not scale linearly and they never will. You cannot determine that 'well this should of happened because of this prior event', there are too many varying factors to even consider that to be a reliable source of information.
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Mr.Satan did stop Kid Boo's attack? No. Mr.Satan did hold Kid Boo in the place? No. Mr.Satan was confident in defeating Kid Boo? No. So the events are not comparable at all.
Freeza even confirmed Vegeta's assessment wasn't an entirely bluff.
Freeza even confirmed Vegeta's assessment wasn't an entirely bluff.
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Those scenes are meant primarily for comedy, and shouldn't be taken seriously. We've seen Gohan rip through the Cell Jrs. like paper, and surely the gap between them is microscopic compared to the gap between Mr. Satan and Cell.
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Mr Satan was strong enough to tank an attack from both Boo and Cell and evade Boo's attacks.ahill1 said:
The events are entirely comparable.
Freeza was completely non chalant while Vegeta wasn't. They aren't comparable at all, at least in terms of strength.
Boo should have ripped through Hercule like paper.ryan1227 said:
If gaps scaled linearly, this would not have happened.
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I don't get what you mean by gaps not scaling linearly. Even if we took Satan's feat seriously, and not all gaps are the same, that doesn't change the fact that the gap between Mr. Satan and Cell is far bigger than the gap between the Cell Jrs. and Gohan. The only way you can explain it is that Cell and Boo massively suppressed themselves.
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He didn't tank anything. He was thrown away and burst out hurting. Vegeta held Freeza in place, holding his arms, both with their aura up and both steping back, followed by Freeza saying Vegeta wasn't entirely bluffing and Gohan confirming Vegeta's assessment of being able to defeat Freeza, while Raditz's arrival Kuririn (power level of 206) and Roshi (power level of 139) were said to not be able to compete with weighted Piccolo (power level of 329).
Vegeta being at 250,000-300,000 is just ridiculous.
Vegeta being at 250,000-300,000 is just ridiculous.
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Just repeatedly spewing "gaps don't scale linearly!!" is such an excuse. By the same twisted logic, Gotenks-Boo could put up a better fight against Vegetto than Gohan-Boo. It's just a very poor argument.
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Hell, even Kuririn's comment after Vegeta and Freeza's scuffle imply Vegeta was fairly close to 530,000.
Kuririn : "Y-yeah...!! It's like Vegeta's br-broken through another power ceiling, y'know...!? B-but then... Why is Freeza so calm...?"
Why would Kuririn even find odd Freeza being calm if Vegeta's power was that weaker than Freeza's?
Kuririn : "Y-yeah...!! It's like Vegeta's br-broken through another power ceiling, y'know...!? B-but then... Why is Freeza so calm...?"
Why would Kuririn even find odd Freeza being calm if Vegeta's power was that weaker than Freeza's?
