Vegeta's Power Level vs. First Form Freeza

[Let's Go Fearless!]

It's ridiculous to argue Mr. Satan's feats lol.

 

[GokhanDBZfan]

Around 450,000, maybe higher, maybe lower.

To be fair though, I kind of have to take t0sh's side here.
It's silly to think Toriyama was calculating some gaps or sh*t when he gave the characters numbers representing their battle power.

 

[Papasmurf]

I doubt he cared too much about gaps, but he is fairly consistent with the line of reasoning that a difference far less than 2x is enough to easily defeat somebody, which he kept consistent from Kui vs. Vegeta to 180k Goku vs. 120k Ginyu. 300,000 vs. 530,000 isn't far from a 2x gap, so he'd likely not have that difference in mind.

 

[GokhanDBZfan]

50% Freeza kicked tired Base form Goku with visible effort, but he was able to stand up.
Keep in mind Goku failed to damage Freeza with a Kaioken x 20 Kamehameha, so that's at least a 20x gap between him and Freeza.

 

[Papasmurf]

Much like Freeza didn't kill Nail in one hit while being over 10x his power. Freeza also toyed with Gohan after he fell out of his rage. Not much of an indicator. And in all 3 instances the weaker fighter couldn't put up a fight.

 

[GokhanDBZfan]

They couldn't put up a fight, but they weren't insantly KO'd like Burter and Recoome against Goku, despite there being a much bigger gap.

 

[Papasmurf]

I'm not arguing that one-shot gaps are linear. What I'm arguing is that Toriyama's at least consistent with a significantly weaker opponent never actually putting up a fight barring those with extraordinary abilities.

 

[GokhanDBZfan]

Nappa's fight with Goku.

 

[Papasmurf]

4000 isn't stated within the manga and is largely contradicted by Vegeta's insistence that Nappa's strong enough to take on a 8000 opponent until seeing his final attack get countered.

 

[GokhanDBZfan]

Then in that case, Krillin is good enough to dodge and damage Nappa, who many times stronger than him.

 

[ahill1]

Then in that case, Krillin is good enough to dodge and damage Nappa, who many times stronger than him.

And proceeded to get one-shotted by a blast that didn't even hit him directly.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

I'm pretty sure Nappa was screwing around in that fight. He knocked Piccolo out with an elbow to the head, and Nappa was holding back in order to not kill him.

 

[Papasmurf]

And wasn't Kuririn only able to hit Nappa like that when he charged at Gohan? It's not like he was able to do it without the element of surprise.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Nappa's power level is 4000 and it's a fact.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

Well, that is what Kaboom wants us to believe.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

480k because that's what @ahill1 has

 

[kriss-]

Super Boo punched base Trunks because he believed those kids were the actual challenge. This means that he wasn't holding back. Trunks should have been eviscerated but he wasn't. Gaps do not scale linearly.

Anytime that they don't, people like to turn their head and use other scenarios where characters are obviously implied to be holding back, so they can still believe in this fallible logic. The burden of proof lies on you to prove that Toriyama sat back with a calculator and tried to depict what a fight would look like between someone 'this powerful' in comparison to someone 'this powerful'. The evidence is non-existent, because Toriyama intentionally got rid of power levels because of how silly and contradictory they were, not to mention limited. But fans believe Dragonball and 'fights' in general, can be determined by whose battle power is higher and to what degree, but not by fighting experience, technique, strength, speed and anatomy, et cetera.

Sorry, that makes no sense and it never will. Gaps are contradictory to one another and if your logic was absolute, it would be infallible without any contradictory events. It isn't.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Super Boo punching Trunks is a gag scene.

 

[kriss-]

Nah.

Boo believed them to be the real threat.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

nope, its gag.