Vegetto being as strong as Beerus is crap.

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Fuck Power Levels, that's the main reason why the haters keep bitchin and complaining.

Indeed. While I do point out it's bad writing, I've stopped caring about power levels while watching DBS.

Yet those fools like the ones on Neo keeps arguing about it. I mean, this is Super ANIME where Toei can wank any characters they want and it's not worth of arguing but somehow those morons keeps arguing about it. It's like we're arguing DBZ anime power scallings you know what I'm saying?

 

[Boo Brand Milk]

Fuck Power Levels, that's the main reason why the haters keep bitchin and complaining.

Indeed. While I do point out it's bad writing, I've stopped caring about power levels while watching DBS.

Yet those fools like the ones on Neo keeps arguing about it. I mean, this is Super ANIME where Toei can wank any characters they want and it's not worth of arguing but somehow those morons keeps arguing about it. It's like we're arguing DBZ anime power scallings you know what I'm saying?

What are YOUR multipliers? 2

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

I'm completely aware of it. Still a crappy way of maintaining Beerus at the top.

Well, there was literally dozens of way to make a longer storytelling without doing a nonsensical retcon. Beerus could have just trained to prevent Goku from surpassing him. But no, AT just had him sleep around and still be 100x aheads of Goku with no reason.

Subjective shit, is subjective. Beerus has already trained for years, and years.

It would have been best at the end of the day that Beerus was already leaps and bounds ahead of Goku, instead of half way through Dragon Ball Super.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

But at least the manga already reached Beerus's ceiling and it's just a matter of time when Goku and Vegeta surpass him as individuals.

 

[Keedounan]

I'm completely aware of it. Still a crappy way of maintaining Beerus at the top.

Well, there was literally dozens of way to make a longer storytelling without doing a nonsensical retcon. Beerus could have just trained to prevent Goku from surpassing him. But no, AT just had him sleep around and still be 100x aheads of Goku with no reason.

Subjective shit, is subjective. Beerus has already trained for years, and years.

It would have been best at the end of the day that Beerus was already leaps and bounds ahead of Goku, instead of half way through Dragon Ball Super.

That's another way to put it. In either case, no one can deny it was a poor move from Toei and Toriyama.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

I'm completely aware of it. Still a crappy way of maintaining Beerus at the top.

Well, there was literally dozens of way to make a longer storytelling without doing a nonsensical retcon. Beerus could have just trained to prevent Goku from surpassing him. But no, AT just had him sleep around and still be 100x aheads of Goku with no reason.

Subjective shit, is subjective. Beerus has already trained for years, and years.

It would have been best at the end of the day that Beerus was already leaps and bounds ahead of Goku, instead of half way through Dragon Ball Super.

That's another way to put it. In either case, no one can deny it was a poor move from Toei and Toriyama.

Don't blame Toei, blame Toriyama for doing it.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Subjective shit, is subjective. Beerus has already trained for years, and years.

It would have been best at the end of the day that Beerus was already leaps and bounds ahead of Goku, instead of half way through Dragon Ball Super.

That's another way to put it. In either case, no one can deny it was a poor move from Toei and Toriyama.

Don't blame Toei, blame Toriyama for doing it.

Toei was even worse. At least in manga, Vegito already surpassed Beerus unlike in anime where SSjinB KK10x Goku with Black multiple power ups, fusions and still weaker than Beerus. That's :toei

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

That's another way to put it. In either case, no one can deny it was a poor move from Toei and Toriyama.

Don't blame Toei, blame Toriyama for doing it.

Toei was even worse. At least in manga, Vegito already surpassed Beerus unlike in anime where SSjinB KK10x Goku with Black multiple power ups, fusions and still weaker than Beerus.

Nope, that's Toriyama.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

SSB Vegetto being nearly as strong as Beerus himself isn't as unbelievable as it may seem. In fact, it's overkill for were he should be at. If we go by the Daizenshuus multiplier for the Potara fusion were it's the user x user then there's no way Vegetto would even be over half of Beerus's power without Kaio Ken.

So, basically the manga technically wanked Vegetto.

So Vegeta's power-level is lower than 20?

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

SSB Vegetto being nearly as strong as Beerus himself isn't as unbelievable as it may seem. In fact, it's overkill for were he should be at. If we go by the Daizenshuus multiplier for the Potara fusion were it's the user x user then there's no way Vegetto would even be over half of Beerus's power without Kaio Ken.

So, basically the manga technically wanked Vegetto.

So Vegeta's power-level is lower than 20?

....Wha?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

SSB Vegetto being nearly as strong as Beerus himself isn't as unbelievable as it may seem. In fact, it's overkill for were he should be at. If we go by the Daizenshuus multiplier for the Potara fusion were it's the user x user then there's no way Vegetto would even be over half of Beerus's power without Kaio Ken.

So, basically the manga technically wanked Vegetto.

So Vegeta's power-level is lower than 20?

....Wha?

You said somehow if Vegetto's fusion-boost really was Goku x Vegeta like the Daizenshuu said they wouldn't even be half of Bills' power. Yet somehow you say that that's because of the Kaio-Ken, by your logic Vegeta'd have to be below a power-level of 10 (Kaio-Ken x10). You make no sense.

When it says Goku x Vegeta, it means Goku's power multiplied with Vegeta's power, or vice-versa.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

You said somehow if Vegetto's fusion-boost really was Goku x Vegeta like the Daizenshuu said they wouldn't even be half of Bills' power. Yet somehow you say that that's because of the Kaio-Ken, by your logic Vegeta'd have to be below a power-level of 10 (Kaio-Ken x10). You make no sense.

When it says Goku x Vegeta, it means Goku's power multiplied with Vegeta's power, or vice-versa.

...I've been an absolute moron.

But, I should try and explain myself better. Vegetto by his lonesome would be 36% of Beerus.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Still, why though? There's no hard rule.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Still, why though? There's no hard rule.

By the multipliers provided in the Daizenshuu Vegetto by rights wouldn't even be stronger than 40% of Beerus. Which, funnily enough still goes well with Toriyama's statement of Goku and Vegeta not surpassing Beerus.

 

[Keedounan]

Still, why though? There's no hard rule.

By the multipliers provided in the Daizenshuu Vegetto by rights wouldn't even be stronger than 40% of Beerus. Which, funnily enough still goes well with Toriyama's statement of Goku and Vegeta not surpassing Beerus.

It's in the SEG though. Anyways...

SSJB Vegetto: SSJB Goku x SSJB Vegeta according to the guide, right ?

SSJ Goku (Namek) is at 150 million BL according to the Daizenshuu. I personally have him more than that, but let's keep that for the sake of your guide-argument.

Knowing that a hypothetical SSJ3 Goku (Namek arc) is over 1 billion BP, it's pretty obvious that SSJB Goku's power by the time of the Black arc should be above the hundreds of billions BP (perhaps even in the trillions), as well as Vegeta, who has pretty much the same strength (barring Kaioken).

So, unless you have Beerus literally over hundred billions of times stronger than Goku SSJB and Vegeta SSJB, Vegetto Blue is far, FAR more powerful than Beerus according to the guide.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Still, why though? There's no hard rule.

By the multipliers provided in the Daizenshuu Vegetto by rights wouldn't even be stronger than 40% of Beerus. Which, funnily enough still goes well with Toriyama's statement of Goku and Vegeta not surpassing Beerus.

How? The Daizenshuu multiplier is literally Goku times Vegeta (TIMES!!!), how the fack???

 

[Keedounan]

Still, why though? There's no hard rule.

By the multipliers provided in the Daizenshuu Vegetto by rights wouldn't even be stronger than 40% of Beerus. Which, funnily enough still goes well with Toriyama's statement of Goku and Vegeta not surpassing Beerus.

How? The Daizenshuu multiplier is literally Goku times Vegeta (TIMES!!!), how the fack???

It's from SEG, in fact. Doesn't make it any less unreliable, though, as I've demonstrated above.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

By the multipliers provided in the Daizenshuu Vegetto by rights wouldn't even be stronger than 40% of Beerus. Which, funnily enough still goes well with Toriyama's statement of Goku and Vegeta not surpassing Beerus.

How? The Daizenshuu multiplier is literally Goku times Vegeta (TIMES!!!), how the fack???

It's from SEG, in fact. Doesn't make it any less unreliable, though, as I've demonstrated above.

You have done good. OP is tripping on something mentally.

 

[Keedounan]

How? The Daizenshuu multiplier is literally Goku times Vegeta (TIMES!!!), how the fack???

It's from SEG, in fact. Doesn't make it any less unreliable, though, as I've demonstrated above.

You have done good. OP is tripping on something mentally.

Oh, give him a break. Considering he mixed up the guides, he must be new to the guidebooks.. so he doesn't know that they're not 100 % reliable.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Still, why though? There's no hard rule.

By the multipliers provided in the Daizenshuu Vegetto by rights wouldn't even be stronger than 40% of Beerus. Which, funnily enough still goes well with Toriyama's statement of Goku and Vegeta not surpassing Beerus.

It's in the SEG though. Anyways...

SSJB Vegetto: SSJB Goku x SSJB Vegeta according to the guide, right ?

SSJ Goku (Namek) is at 150 million BL according to the Daizenshuu. I personally have him more than that, but let's keep that for the sake of your guide-argument.

Knowing that a hypothetical SSJ3 Goku (Namek arc) is over 1 billion BP, it's pretty obvious that SSJB Goku's power by the time of the Black arc should be above the hundreds of billions BP (perhaps even in the trillions), as well as Vegeta, who has pretty much the same strength (barring Kaioken).

So, unless you have Beerus literally over hundred billions of times stronger than Goku SSJB and Vegeta SSJB, Vegetto Blue is far, FAR more powerful than Beerus according to the guide.

Fuck then... 2

There's more guides than the Daizenshuu?