Vegetto vs Gokhan

[p123]

So what is a Super Saiyan 3 Kibito equal to? It already looks way too close in my book. Rememer, Base Gotenks > Majin Vegeta >> KibitoShin


You need Base Goten like 10,000 and SSJ3 Kibito at 1,000 for your Potara >>>>>>> Metamoran shit to work.

What's your boost for both? 100x for Metamorna and 10,000 or some shit for Potara? Lol

 

[SSJ2]

I don't use fusion multipliers

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Fair enough, so you have Base Vegetto >> Buutenks as well?

No. Old Kai's statement doesn't necessarily mean a stomp gap. I have Base Vegerrot >= Buutenks.

 

[p123]

Base Gokhan will probably be pleeeeentyyyy seems to indicate Gokhan would whoop Buutenks.

Either way, what makes Vegetto strong, would clearly make Gokhan stronger. Kibitoshin asks why Vegetto is so strong and Elder Kaioshin tells him point blank, because Goku and Vegeta are that strong. The top two masters coming together will make a beast, so clearly replacing one master for a greatly superior master would garner good results.

Rivals boost is only " What's more ", it's the icing on the cake, not a tremendous factor.

 

[ahill1]

Goten base should be more than 400x stronger than Kibito what is ridiculous IMO. I don't have base Vegetto that high. Base Vegetto being around Gotenks SSJ (post rosat) is fine to me, since the SSJ is a huge boost.

 

[SSJ2]

Switch to a 4x SSJ multiplier for fusions and the problem is solved.

 

[p123]

A 4x multiplier for fusions doesn't save you here my friend.

 

[Six Trails]

I'd prefer to keep the multipliers between fusions and non-fusions consistent, and 4x would be perfect, if it weren't for #18 vs. the base kids... Unless the suit can justify them not taking her hits while being multifolds stronger?

For the Kibitoshin mess, my explanation is that being closer in power makes a more effective fusion, while being far off in power hinders the fusion. So since Kaioshin and Kibito are far off in power, their fusion isn't very effective compared to Goku and Vegeta's.

 

[p123]

I'd love to see your Base Saiyans comparison to 18 with a 4x SSJ boost.

And without correlating Super Saiyan boost, how the fuck can you explain this?

Base Saiyan ( 1 ) / Base Saiyan ( 1 ) = Base Saiyan Fusion of 100

Super Saiyan ( 50 / Super Saiyan ( 50 ) = Super Saiyan Fusion of 500


It doesn't make sense. Why? Let's remove the forms quickly. If you gave a non transforming duo of 1 power each to transform their power would be 100 still correct?

Ok great. Now let's take that same duo and make their power 50, now their fusion is 5,000.


So in essence, by making the fusion SSJ multiplier smaller, you are severely weakening the fusions power!

You guys just haven't had to play with the numbers to see how ugly it can get. Let me save you the trouble and just believe me you fools!~

 

[Pakl]

Base potara ~ SSjin metamorian us implied by Kaioshin....

Gogeta gets rival boosts as he is Goku and Vegeta

 

[FutureProtagonist]

I'd love to see your Base Saiyans comparison to 18 with a 4x SSJ boost.

And without correlating Super Saiyan boost, how the fuck can you explain this?

Base Saiyan ( 1 ) / Base Saiyan ( 1 ) = Base Saiyan Fusion of 100

Super Saiyan ( 50 / Super Saiyan ( 50 ) = Super Saiyan Fusion of 500


It doesn't make sense. Why? Let's remove the forms quickly. If you gave a non transforming duo of 1 power each to transform their power would be 100 still correct?

Ok great. Now let's take that same duo and make their power 50, now their fusion is 5,000.


So in essence, by making the fusion SSJ multiplier smaller, you are severely weakening the fusions power!

You guys just haven't had to play with the numbers to see how ugly it can get. Let me save you the trouble and just believe me you fools!~

Fusing as Super Saiyans is no different from fusing in base, then going Super Saiyan; either that means fusion is linear, or Super Saiyan interacts with fusion in some way that isn't made clear. Either one is conjecture IMO, so take your pick. Personally, I'd choose the second one.

 

[p123]

Numerically what you are saying just doesn't work. You cannot have the fusions get smaller boosts than the fusees and not make a mathematical mess. Just think about it for a second. It does not work!

 

[FutureProtagonist]

Is that what I'm saying? That's not what I meant, exactly. Honestly, I'm not sure what the argument is, so I'll just step out.

 

[p123]

It is difficult to say, but since I've ran every possible combination I'm aware of some of the numerical issues with many differing fusion formulas. Unless you spend hours on it, you are unlikely to see the depths of the problems.

The point is...

With the logic that fusions get smaller boosts than the fusees, how does a different fusion's power stack up when of equal value without a transformation boost.

Let me try to break it down easily.

Let's say Piccolo / Pikkon = Super Saiyan Goten / Trunks. Their fusions should be equal correct? Super Saiyan Gotenks = Pikkolo

Let's pretend Yakkon and his sister ( like in DB Multiverse ) fused together and they were equal to Base Goten and Trunks. Their power should be = to Base Gotenks right?

Is anyone picking up on this?

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Base Gokhan can be anywhere near to Boohan's strength. Base Vegito is at least equal to Bootenks IMO.

 

[Jeff Styles]

Goku asks if they should transform into SSJ before merging. Elder Kaioshin says they may not needs to, to beats Bootenks because of the Potara's power.
SSJ Gokhan(Metamoran)>Base Gokhan(Potara)~Bootenks

Vegito transform upon appears.
Boohan>Base Vegito

Base Gokhan>Base Vegito

I have Base Vegito as equal or a little stronger than Ultimate Gohan.

SSJ Gokhan(Metamoran)>Boohan>Base Gokhan(Potara)~Bootenks>>Base Vegito~Ultimate Gohan

I think that could works.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Goku asks if they should transform into SSJ before merging.Elder Kaioshin says they may not needs to, to beats Bootenks because of the Potara's power.
SSJ Gokhan(Metamoran)>Base Gokhan(Potara)~Bootenks

Vegito transform upon appears.
Boohan>Base Vegito

Base Gokhan>Base Vegito

I have Base Vegito as equal or a little stronger than Ultimate Gohan.

SSJ Gokhan(Metamoran)>Boohan>Base Gokhan(Potara)~Bootenks>>Base Vegito~Ultimate Gohan

I think that could works.

Old Kai said Gokhan is too much for Bootenks so they shouldn't be equal.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Boo Arc - Gokhan oneshots
BoG/DBS - Vegetto probably wins

 

[p123]

CC do you think Base Vegeta > Ultimate Gohan? Because even in DBS, Gokhan > Vegetto if you think about it.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

1) Base Potara > SSJ3 Metamoran right?
2) Base Gotenks Pre > Majin Vegeta > KibitoShin right?

Do you know how massively superior Goten and Trunks have to be over Kaioshin and Kibito to make this work? Goten and Trunks have to be like Gods compared to Kibito and Kaioshin, in base to make this work.

Let's make it as easy as possible on you. Do you at least have Base Goten >>> a hypothetical Super Saiyan 3 Kibito?

Would the math work if you have Majin Vegeta > Kibitoshin > base Gotenks?