What are your multipliers for Ultimate Form & Golden Form in DBS?

[Natasha Romanoff]

In the case of Ultimate form, I think it is fair to assume that is greater than of SSj God, but smaller than SSj Blue as Gohan has a similar power level to Goku (when both are in the same form), but ultimately weaker than SSj Blue. Although, in Super Hero, the multiplier is clearly greater as Gohan was out of shape and still his Ultimate turned out to be stronger than the Gammas who were above himself & 17 during the TOP.

In the case of Golden form, it should be greater (in relation to his Final Form) than it is the multiplier in between base and SSj Blue given that in FNF, Goku's base was equal or slightly ahead of Frieza (although they likely have the same strength as Goku realized he can't defeat him had they continued like that) and in Golden form he was somewhat ahead of SSjB Goku before being drained. I also personally consider that his fight against Dyspo in his final form is PIS (plot inducted stupidity) or can be taken as the same as base Goku vs Hit in episode 38.

But, how would it look numerically? This is anime only.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

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[GreatSaiyaman123]

Ultimate is just a bit below Blue since Gohan goes from = Base Goku to somewhat below SSJB. Super Hero is confusing, but either Gohan got stronger before slacking or the Gammas were overrated.

Freeza is confusing. It was higher than SSJB in RoF, but in the ToP Freeza is much stronger than Base Saiyans. Even ignoring the Dyspo fight, Freeza was clearly stronger than Frost and SSJ Cabba. He also wanted to fight SSJ2 Caulifla and SSJ Kale. If Freeza is at least SSJ level, then Golden must be comparable to SSJG for Freeza to match SSJB.

 

[SIAD]

I think the multipliers of those forms were constantly changing.

@MikaelHarding What do you think?

 

[MikaelHarding]

Since ultimate gohan can grow in strength to match a suppressed ssjb he must be comparable to or superior than a ssj god

For Golden Form considering freeza rushed to earth without perfecting it but still had a greater output of power than ssjb I'd put it above plus the evil emperor mastered it in his time in hell he I'd put him True Golden >~ perfected ssjb

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

@GreatSaiyaman123

Or maybe an enraged Gohan is unpredictable as stated by Vegeta in the Buu Saga. As well as him stating that he has the most potential of all of them despite of Vegeta having already reached SSJB in the U6 arc.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

@GreatSaiyaman123

Or maybe an enraged Gohan is unpredictable as stated by Vegeta in the Buu Saga. As well as him stating that he has the most potential of all of them despite of Vegeta having already reached SSJB in the U6 arc.

So Ultimate Gohan (SH) > Ultimate Gohan (ToP) just because of anger? I can see it.

 

[Dagon]

Hmm let's give this a try.

My SSJ Multipliers:

SSJ: 50x
SSJ2: 100x(2x SSJ)
SSJ3: 400x(4x SSJ2
SSJG: 4,000x(10x SSJ3)
SSJB: 200,000x(50x SSJG)

One source said Gotenks got several times stronger in the RoSaT, limiting to 3-6x based on the phrasing. Let's try that just to illustrate.

Gotenks is at least comparable to SSJ3 Goku initially as Goku had confidence he could beat Fat Buu who Goku could also beat.

Goku:
~Base: 1
~SSJ: 50
~SSJ2: 100
~SSJ3: 400

Gotenks(initial)
~Base: 8
~SSJ: 400

Gotenks(post training):
~Base: 24-48
~SSJ: 1,200-2,400
~SSJ3: 9,600-19,200

Base Gohan could handle the Z sword better than Goku so he's at least moderately stronger than Goku if not a lot stronger before the Ultimate ritual.

In the anime Gohan is able to go toe-to-toe with SSJB Goku and SSJB Kaio-Ken Goku is able to knock out Ultimate Gohan, though it is possible Goku might not have needed Kaio-Ken to beat Ultimate Gohan, just that the fight would take a lot longer.

We already run into the problem where my 200k multiplier for SSJB would blow way past this scaling for the Buu Saga as it would make Ultimate Gohan too strong. So let's try the age old base post > SSJ pre method.


Gotenks(post training):
~Base: 500
~SSJ: 25,000
~SSJ3: 200,000

Now we're getting somewhere!

Base Super Buu was comparable to SSJ3 Gotenks. Some people say he was weaker or stronger, so let's just say they are equal to piss off everyone take the middle road.

Ultimate Gohan easily overpowered Super Buu so being about 50% stronger than Super Buu seems fair given he was again easily overpowered by Buutenks.

Ultimate Gohan: 300,000

With my SSJB multiplier being 200k that makes base Z Sword Gohan 1.5 compared to base Goku's 1.

Base Gotenks post > SSJ Gotenks pre further confirmed? Of course the numbers can be tweaked with different multipliers but it's neat to see it turn out like this.

Could also take a middle route where SSJ Gotenks pre was just way ahead of SSJ3 Goku and still only got 3-6x stronger in the RoSaT training which would ultimately still bring him up to around the higher end scaling here.

Gotenks initial:
~Base: 83.3166.667
~SSJ: 4,166.667-8,333.33
~SSJ3(hypothetical): 33,333.33-66,66.667

This may better align with Goten and Trunks being close enough to Gohan and Vegeta to touch them in battle, as with SSJ Gotenks being only comparable to SSJ3 Goku would require the kids to be super weak since fusion is somparable to Potara which multiplies the sum of the parts tens of times. It would require Goten and Trunks to be tens of times weaker than initial Buu saga Goku and the saga really doesn't portray that idea based on the feats.

So yeah maybe initial Gotenks was just a monster but Super Buu even more so.

 

[Hitrule]

In the case of Ultimate form, I think it is fair to assume that is greater than of SSj God, but smaller than SSj Blue as Gohan has a similar power level to Goku (when both are in the same form), but ultimately weaker than SSj Blue. Although, in Super Hero, the multiplier is clearly greater as Gohan was out of shape and still his Ultimate turned out to be stronger than the Gammas who were above himself & 17 during the TOP.

In the case of Golden form, it should be greater (in relation to his Final Form) than it is the multiplier in between base and SSj Blue given that in FNF, Goku's base was equal or slightly ahead of Frieza (although they likely have the same strength as Goku realized he can't defeat him had they continued like that) and in Golden form he was somewhat ahead of SSjB Goku before being drained. I also personally consider that his fight against Dyspo in his final form is PIS (plot inducted stupidity) or can be taken as the same as base Goku vs Hit in episode 38.

But, how would it look numerically? This is anime only.

Ultimate: No multiplier, Depends on potential.

Golden: Stronger than Blue.