What are your Multipliers of the different forms of SSJ in DBS?

[Yoshi]

Base: x1
SSJ: x50
SSJ2: x5
SSJ3: x10

 

[MikaelHarding]

Base ~ 1x
MSSJ ~ 50x
SSJ2 ~ 100x
SSJ3 ~ 400x
Legendary SSJ Berseker ~ 3,500x
Legendary SSJ2 Berserker ~ 7,000x
SSJG ~ 600,000x
God-like Saiyan ~ 750,000x
SSJB ~ 75,000,000,000x
SSJBKK x10 ~ 150,000,000,000x
SSJBKK x20 ~ 300,000,000,000x
PSSJB ~ 2,000,000,000,000x
Autonomous Ultra Instinct ~ 300,000,000,000,000x
Mastered Autonomous Ultra Instinct ~ 1,000,000,000,000,000

 

[SIAD]

@Kenshi

How many times more powerful do you have the SSJB over the SSJG in the Anime?

How many times stronger do you have the PSSJB over the SSJG in the Manga?

 

[Papasmurf]

@Kenshi

How many times more powerful do you have the SSJB over the SSJG in the Anime?

How many times stronger do you have the PSSJB over the SSJG in the Manga?

Probably like 5x anime wise. 10x at most.

Manga wise with PSSJB, about 3x

 

[SIAD]

Probably like 5x anime wise. 10x at most.

Manga wise with PSSJB, about 3x

So is it very exaggerated to say that the SSJB is 50x SSJG in the Anime? And the PSSJB is 50x the SSJG?

 

[Papasmurf]

So is it very exaggerated to say that the SSJB is 50x SSJG in the Anime? And the PSSJB is 50x the SSJG?

No way PSSJB is 50x SSJG imo, Toppo needed his Aura of Gods to match Godku and his FP in it is equal to PSSJB Goku/Vegeta (ToP)

 

[SIAD]

No way PSSJB is 50x SSJG imo, Toppo needed his Aura of Gods to match Godku and his FP in it is equal to PSSJB Goku/Vegeta (ToP)

And what gap do you have between the SSJG on the SSJ3 both in the Manga and in the Anime?

 

[Papasmurf]

And what gap do you have between the SSJG on the SSJ3 both in the Manga and in the Anime?

Anime: idk maybe 4-5x

Manga: seems to depend on the arc, but since SSJ was still a relevant enough boost over base while 2 and 3 were skippes to go straight to God, I'd say it's a decent boost still. 4x minimum.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

SSJB is literally SSJG + SSJ. Whatever SSJ is, SSJB is the same.

 

[SIAD]

SSJB is literally SSJG + SSJ. Whatever SSJ is, SSJB is the same.

It can also be SSJG x SSJ (nerfed multiplier) = SSJG x 2.5.

 

[SIAD]

I am thinking about the possibility of:

SSJB = 2.5x SSJG in both the Anime and the Manga.

PSSJB and SSJB (Beyond Limits in ToP) = 50x SSJG.

What do you think @GreatSaiyaman123 ?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

That makes sense. I used to have PSSJB over SSJG = SSJ = 2.5x and PSSJB at less than that, but now I prefer to use 50x unless it’s for fusions.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

Base = 1
SSJ = 50x
SSJ2 = 150x
SSJ3= 600x
SSJ2 (Vegeta) = 750x (only if he’s enraged)
SSJG = 6,000x
SSJB (Manga) = 18,000x (can only be used for a short period as the stamina began to fall)
SSJB (Anime) = 18,000x
PSSJB = 18,000x (can be used constantly as a multiplier)
SSJBE = 360,000x

 

[SIAD]

On the other hand, I got to thinking about what @Kenshi said the gap between the PSSJB over the SSJG is not as big as the gap between the SSJG over the SSJ3 in the Manga, based on the match between Goku vs Toppo in the Tournament of Exhibition.

 

[SIAD]

Pre Mini Arc Hit (Anime):

Base = 1
SSJ = 50
SSJ2 = 100
SSJ3 = 400
SSJG = 20,000
SSJB = 100,000

ToP (Anime):

Base = 1
SSJ = 2.5
SSJ2 = 5
SSJ3 = 10
SSJG = 50
SSJB = 2,500

Pre ToP (Manga):

Base = 1
SSJ = 2.5
SSJ2 = 5
SSJ3 = 10
SSJG = 1,000
SSJB = 2,500
PSSJB = 50,000

ToP and onwards (Manga):

Base = 1
SSJ = 2.5
SSJ2 = 5
SSJ3 = 10
SSJG = 50
PSSJB = 2,500

In the Manga Exhibition Tournament, there was a bigger gap between SSJG over SSJ3 than PSSJ over SSJ3. However, in the ToP, it is shown that Toppo (Suppressed) does not seem much superior to Goku SSJ2, while Toppo (Suppressed) easily surpassed Goku SSJ3. Also in Arc Moro, there doesn't seem to be as big of a gap between SSJG over SSJ3.

@GreatSaiyaman123
@Goku9001
@Animelover5487

What do you think?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Why do the multipliers change after the ToP?

SSJ2 Goku was no match for even Dyspo, let alone Suppressed Toppo. When Goku goes SSJ3 and then SSJG vs Merus, SSJG is clearly much stronger and even starts to break the room they’re in.

Here’s something interesting: If Goku doesn’t absorb SSJG in the manga, then what if the SSJG multiplier is the same as Battle of Gods?

 

[SIAD]

Why do the multipliers change after the ToP?

SSJ2 Goku was no match for even Dyspo, let alone Suppressed Toppo. When Goku goes SSJ3 and then SSJG vs Merus, SSJG is clearly much stronger and even starts to break the room they’re in.

Here’s something interesting: If Goku doesn’t absorb SSJG in the manga, then what if the SSJG multiplier is the same as Battle of Gods?

@Goku9001 @Kenshi @Animelover5487 @MikaelHarding I want to read your opinion.

 

[Animelover5487]

Here’s something interesting: If Goku doesn’t absorb SSJG in the manga, then what if the SSJG multiplier is the same as Battle of Gods?

I actually like that idea and would make Trunks going from Dabura tier to SSJ3 Goku level make a lot more sense.

Also this way we can use the 50 times multiplier for Black's Super Saiyan which will make this chain make a lot more sense:

SSJ2 Vegeta >> SSJ Black (Pre Zenkai) >>>>>>>>>>>> Base Black >>> SSJ3 Goku = SSJ2 Trunks

 

[Animelover5487]

The God forms are worlds above SSJ3.

 

[SIAD]

The God forms are worlds above SSJ3.

At least for the Manga.

I would still have Goku (Post God) absorbing all the power of the SSJG in the Base and I would have Goku SSJB (FNF/Anime) = Goku SSJB (FNF/Manga).

Just to give an example:

Goku Base (BoG) = 1
SSJ3 = 400
SSJG (Peak) = 640,000
Base (Post God / Anime) = 1,000,000

FNF Manga:

Goku Base = 19,200
SSJ = 960,000
SSJ2 = 1,920,000
SSJ3 = 7,680,000
SSJG = 19,200,000,000
SSJB = 48,000,000,000

FNF Anime:

Goku Base = 1,200,000
SSJ = 60,000,000
SSJ2 = 120,000,000
SSJ3 = 240,000,000
SSJG = 960,000,000
SSJB = 48,000,000,000