SuperDragoon said:
Except a 10x multiplier literally does NOT work, in story or meta. In-story, Super Saiyan is supposed to be the superior transformation to any form of kaioken, as Goku never uses it again until DBS. Not once is anything mentioned about SSJ Goku being weaker than his kaioken x20 self, not even from himself, who should have known. Not once does Freeza state is true, uninjured self would stomp Goku, nor is it implied. Heck, its not implied Freeza lost too much power at all. His situation isn't comparable to Raditz's either as we know he lost power since a weakened Goku could armlock him. Freeza was still fully capable of slaughter the Z fighters before Goku went SSJ. Similar situation goes with Mecha Freeza, as Toriyama wrote numerous statements confirming Mecha Freeza>Organic Freeza, and none are contradicted.
Meta, what Toriyama thinks about something, or feels, is secondary to what actually is IN the manga. If Toriyama and the manga disagree, the manga takes precedence 99% of time time. This is the case with ALL manga. Toriyama also did not state a 10x multiplier as a fact, but as something he put minor thought into while write. It was not objective. If it was, why hasnt any guidebook taken his multiplier and used it instead of repeating a x50 multiplier? Toriyama DOES has imput on what goes into the guidebooks, after all. If he felt x50 was innacurate he would tell the writer or editor to fix it.
1. In-story, the SSJ was superior to the KK in almost every single instance. The only part of the story where the KK could provide something above the SSJ is in the beginning of the androids saga where the SSJ was still undeveloped, and the KK could reach up to 20x multipliers. But Goku spends that part of the androids saga ill and unable to fight, and when he recovers, he already knows about the existence of Cell and that he has time to train his SSJ to a point where the KK is made useless.
2. In-story what doesn't make any sense is for a character without unlimited energy to become injured, and him not losing any strength. In fact, even Freezer himself states that he had lost strength at least twice, so I don't see why there should be any doubt about that.
Him slaughtering the Z-warriors even injured is not strange, because the only Z-warriors that were alive were Krilin who couldn't even compare to Freezer's weakest form and had no energy left, a non enraged Gohan who had also given all his strength to Piccolo, and Piccolo who at best would've been at a 1/10th of Freezer power after the Genkidama also affected him.
The difference between them and 50% Freezer was so big that it's not difficult to justify injured Freezer still being above them. In fact, that's what Freezer says:
Chapter: 317 (DBZ 123), P10.3, P12.1
Context: after getting hit with the Genki-Dama
Freeza: “Ev-even I thought I would die…I, the great Freeza, was pushed to the brink of death…[ ] Even having taken this damage, I can still easily defeat all of you!”
He clearly was affected by the Genkidama.
3. The thing is that what makes most sense reading the manga is what the author says. Freezer not losing strength even when it's a rule of the manga that one loses strength when gets injured, and that Freezer itself admitted how injured he got and how much it affected him.
At Chapter 323 (DBZ 129), he says:
"I'd better get away from this planet right now... If I'm caught in the explosion, I'll lose even more power...".
So there's no doubt Freezer lost power, and considering how affected he was by the Genkidama, it shouldn't surprise anyone he lost most of it.
On the other hand, that 50x multiplier is absolutely impossible for various reasons:
- It assumes Freezer wasn't affected by the Genkidama, which is false.
- It also contradicts what we see from that fight. A 50x multiplier would put Goku so above 100% Freezer that he would've won that fight in a single blow. On the other hand, what we see is Goku and Freezer being more or less equal until Freezer's stamina wears down too much for him to fight. A 40x multiplier would've made much more sense even when still contradicting the manga, but a 50x multiplier is just impossible.
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