Why didn't Kami use the mafusa/demon containment wave on his evil twin?

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Same idea. Asking someone to kill you is still a form of suicide.

You are getting lost in the semantics of it. The overall point is the same. Kami has a non-interventionist stance that progressively changes due to escalating factors and the introduction of new information.

What exactly are you arguing against here? What's your overall point?
Which escalating factors? Escalating from Piccolo potentially killing everyone when he said Ten had to kill him as he "can't kill himself" to trying to kill Piccolo when Piccolo was barely conscious? Lol that's not a escalating at all...
 

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Which escalating factors? Escalating from Piccolo potentially killing everyone when he said Ten had to kill him as he "can't kill himself" to trying to kill Piccolo when Piccolo was barely conscious? Lol that's not a escalating at all...
The ones I've already outlined in the previous posts. Remember, this starts from Daimao's birth to his death, to his rebirth. Kami's stance on how to handle each varies over time. Read my previous posts to see the progression.
 

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The ones I've already outlined in the previous posts. Remember, this starts from Daimao's birth to his death, to his rebirth. Kami's stance on how to handle each varies over time. Read my previous posts to see the progression.
The situation would be the same. King Piccolo would have made the humans suffer. He even thanked Goku and said that unfortunately Piccolo still lives as king Piccolo laid an egg containing his essence.

The thing that'd make sense his non participation would be the DBs... He said that he wanted them to exist but that seeing the selfish wishes, they had no purpose... But he saw not everything was lost as there were well intended people that used God's creation for good intentions (Goku)...

... But if he gained a more positive outlook on keeping the DBs after seeing Goku, whereas he was pessimistic before (as he considered living mainly for the DBs), then suddenly by being more optimistic of their usage, he'd decide to kill a half dead Piccolo instead of when he was pessimistic about humans using them and their need in the world? Makes no sense.
 

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I'm still not understanding your point. Are you making a complaint of the author's direction here?
No, I'm saying Kami could have killed Piccolo... I'm questioning the validity for why he didn't do it before, but did so later. I mean, you spoke about the escalation of a situation... Which escalation would be if we compared king Piccolo wreaking havoc 3 years earlier to a half dead Piccolo Junior who could have been locked in a jar but then and only then Kami would lay the final blow? Those moments had no escalation of danger at all...
 

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No, I'm saying Kami could have killed Piccolo... I'm questioning the validity for why he didn't do it before, but did so later.
Because he wasn't prepared to die before and was taking more of a non-interventionist route as mentioned before.

Which escalation would be if we compared king Piccolo wreaking havoc to a half dead Piccolo Junior who could have been locked in a jar but then and only then he would lay the final blow? That moments had no escalation at all...
Perhaps the reemergence of Piccolo had allowed him to come to the realization that such a non-interventionist stance wasn't ideal.
 

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Because he wasn't prepared to die before and was taking more of a non-interventionist route as mentioned before.


Perhaps the reemergence of Piccolo had allowed him to come to the realization that such a non-interventionist stance wasn't ideal.
So he was a coward before and grew some balls later?
 

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So he was a coward before and grew some balls later?
Well, not a coward. A non-interventionist stance is in line with a lot of Buddhist ideology which Dragon Ball takes after. A god decided not to get involved with the fate of mortals is a perfectly acceptable norm for many genres deities.

Ever heard of "The Watcher" in Marvel? Same concept more or less. Toriyama is no doubt pulling from such a type.

Is Whis a coward? Of course not. But he has rules he abides by and one of the rules is to oversee, not get involved.
 

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Well, not a coward. A non-interventionist stance is in line with a lot of Buddhist ideology which Dragon Ball takes after. A god decided not to get involved with the fate of mortals is a perfectly acceptable norm for many genres deities.

Ever heard of "The Watcher" in Marvel? Same concept more or less. Toriyama is no doubt pulling from such a type.

Is Whis a coward? Of course not. But he has rules he abides by and one of the rules is to oversee, not get involved.
But why do you think he decided not to intervene in the king Piccolo chaos and decided to do so later? Piccolo becoming stronger doesn't matter, because if he weren't to intervene, then whether he was weaker or stronger wouldn't matter.

He spoke about the DBs... Saying he crafted them hoping brave humans could use them for good reasons. And he said he was reconsidering their overall need when seeing how wishes were for selfish reasons, though he noted Goku changed his pessimistic attitude towards keeping the DBs as tools for human development.

When Kami said they could revive him with the DBs, Goku said the DBs would disappear if Kami died... Kami took a long pause and reflected on it. He had talked about the DBs before, too:

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Then Kami took Roshi's point and said Goku had the bless to be taught by a great master...


I think it is more philosophical in the sense the DBs represent the way humans can use it, be it for bad or for good... And seeing humans releasing the devil through it may have prompted Kami to see humanity as hopeless. But being inspired by Goku and his friends braveness and pure heart, he offered the God's help for humanity... In a philosophical sense ofc.

But yeah what do you think?
 
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