Why I'm Not A One Piece Fan Anymore

[Pocket-Gog~]

And HxH art is usually just a bunch of scribbles on a page.

I agree. But Togashit has a better grasp on aesthetics than Oda does, so he can pump out good looking art when he gives a shit.

 

[Future Warrior]

I agree. But Togashit has a better grasp on aesthetics than Oda does, so he can pump out good looking art when he gives a shit.

I don't think he's a bad artist, but nobody praises HxH for the artwork and I wouldn't even say his best work is the kind that would make you want to look at a panel a long time before moving on.

Nothing from HxH is as visually stunning as One Piece, and it's not even close.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

I don't think he's a bad artist, but nobody praises HxH for the artwork and I wouldn't even say his best work is the kind that would make you want to look at a panel a long time before moving on.

I agree, I also think its irrelevant if your eyes stay on a panel for a long time in a visual medium. Because the point of a visual medium is clarity and visual story telling.

Nothing from HxH is as visually stunning as One Piece, and it's not even close.

When people say One Piece looks bad, they're not referring to the detailed backgrounds. The point of contention is on the characters themselves and how Oda draws characters.

He has funky proportions. Strange looking accentuations. Bottom pic is even a high detailed piece of his and it's not enough to hide the fact that the characters look wack.

 

[ahill1]

Thriller Bark isn't part of Marineford. I'd say not even Archipelago looks like it... Amazon Lily and onward, yes. I liked the Whitebeard saga tbh. It was filled with memorable moments, even though I was never too keen on most OP's melodramas moments. And yes, many OP's sad moments look like melodrama to me.

Problem to me is OP got too long and some repeating troupes and formulas unavoidable tend to show up kinda often. Many of OP's part 2 moments look dry since that's happened already, in a way. I can look at it and have a sense of "I've already seen it"... Sanji's past for instance, with the way his sister pushed him and said "you'll find someone to look after you" being pretty identical to how Oda treated Robin's past and her buddy Saul. So yeah, it doesn't go down as nicely since it doesn't look as unique as it was the 1st time... And even the 1st time didn't sound too good to me... In this aspect I prefer the way HxH deals with its sad moments. It comes more naturally to me. It's less pushy, in a sense.

I found Dressrosa the last arc I was really invested. But I guess mainly because I really liked the villain and was more young and impressionable back then. It seemed like a different version of Alabasta in some sense, too, though.

Still, even though I give OP lot of shit, it's definitely something that entertains me... To the point I feel excited and kind of happy when there're many chapters to read. It got into me in a way that the entertainment forces its way through independently of the story really heaving that solid of a backbone. I identify the characters as familiar to a point that it's very easy to digest the story and progress the reading even if the plot doesn't move me like how it used to.

As for the art, it's mainly subjective. I used to find it kinda cartoony and childish, but I got used to it really quick and it doesn't bother me now even one bit. Maybe my main grip now would be the way sex women are drawn, but even that doesn't matter too much. Still, lack of details doesn't mean the art is worse or better. When Togashi puts in the work and flashes out a panel he really put in the effort, I find it more appealing and impressive than any OP's panels. That's not to say it's better or worse, but it moves me more, to the point I'm drawn to it more easily.

And yeah, JoJo is trash. I tried bonding with the series and it didn't work. If it weren't so acclaimed, I'd have dropped sooner.

 

[Future Warrior]

It's not relevant, but it's something to give credit to a comic that is capable of accomplishing that, which HxH doesn't.

When people say One Piece looks bad, they're not referring to the detailed backgrounds. The point of contention is on the characters themselves and how Oda draws characters.

The 2nd panel I brought up don't have much backgrounds, unless you meant by something else.

The examples you brought up, isn't bad art. It just isn't visually pleasing to you, which is fair. He has a certain style of silliness, which you'll either love or hate. Even then, he is capable of drawing characters in many ways if needed.

 

[ahill1]

I think you could qualify that as bad art if he hadn't the intention of drawing with whacky proportions. But Oda knows very well that he draws his character with off proportions. For some reason he generally likes giving the upper body more detail and showing his characters with skinny legs. You may have a grip with it, but it then just falls back again on preference, not necessarily bad art.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

It's not relevant, but it's something to give credit to a comic that is capable of accomplishing that, which HxH doesn't.

Huh?

The 2nd panel I brought up don't have much backgrounds, unless you meant by something else.

It does. The main point of it is a massive detailed mech and not a human, or animal.

The examples you brought up, isn't bad art. It just isn't visually pleasing to you, which is fair. He has a certain style of silliness, which you'll either love or hate. Even then, he is capable of drawing characters in many ways if needed.

I don't know, Oda has a really bad habit of baby faces and funky anatomy.

 

[Future Warrior]

Yeah, Togashi can make some good art if he wants to, and even I admit those are pretty striking. It's just sprinkled throughout the manga here and there, while there are plenty that I can draw from One Piece from every single arc.

We can agree to disagree on Oda's art. A lot of the ''anatomy issues'' that you and ahill brought up weren't even something I've noticed while reading, perhaps because I'm more invested in the story.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Yeah, Togashi can make some good art if he wants to, and even I admit those are pretty striking. It's just sprinkled throughout the manga here and there, while there are plenty that I can draw from One Piece from every single arc.

Cause Togashi is ultimately a lazy and prideful fag who doesn't wanna put in the work, while simultaneously not wanting help. A-lot of what I've shown was probably prettied up by other people in the official releases, Togashi's actual input in the original chapters is abysmal.

Which is why I think Oda is also a far superior artist to him.

We can agree to disagree on Oda's art. A lot of the ''anatomy issues'' that you and ahill brought up weren't even something I've noticed while reading, perhaps because I'm more invested in the story.

I mean, that's fair, but they're still there.

 

[Future Warrior]

One Piece world at its core is absurdist. You can find a lot of characters with unique body proportions and characteristics that don't look remotely like regular people, which is intentional. Why is it a big deal that a body part or face aren't that realistic?

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

One Piece world at its core is absurdist. You can find a lot of characters with unique body proportions and characteristics that don't look remotely like regular people, which is intentional. Why is it a big deal that a body part or face aren't that realistic?

How is one piece absurdist

 

[Papasmurf]

It gets absurdly bad straight after Marineford for sure. Just a year or two ago I still cared about finishing it one day, now I probably (almost definitely) won't

 

[ahill1]

It gets absurdly bad straight after Marineford for sure. Just a year or two ago I still cared about finishing it one day, now I probably (almost definitely) won't

I thought you really liked Mingo

 

[Papasmurf]

I thought you really liked Mingo

I don't get hard to him like u do lol

 

[Kyo]

2. It's gotten too long. I mean it's over 100 volumes now. That's absurd. Not even the likes of Naruto, Bleach, or Gintama are over 80 volumes.

So?

3. It sucked since the Whitebeard War Saga. Many people say that it sucked since Part II, but it sucked even before that, in my opinion, although the Saga is definitely a lot better than Part II. I would even go as far as to say that the East Blue Saga is better than the Whitebeard War Saga.

Why?

I mean the very first arc of the Whitebeard War Saga, the Thriller Bark Arc, sucks...

Thriller Bark is not the first arc of the War saga.

So that's a clear indication that most of the Saga sucks too.

Not at all.

Impel Down is a poor man's Enies Lobby as well

The structure is pretty different and Luffy got rolled.

and Marineford is very overrated.

Yeah.

Thriller Bark isn't part of Marineford. I'd say not even Archipelago looks like it...

Sabaody is part of the War arc.

I liked the Whitebeard saga tbh. It was filled with memorable moments, even though I was never too keen on most OP's melodramas moments. And yes, many OP's sad moments look like melodrama to me.

OP is literally a melodrama.

Problem to me is OP got too long and some repeating troupes and formulas unavoidable tend to show up kinda often. Many of OP's part 2 moments look dry since that's happened already, in a way. I can look at it and have a sense of "I've already seen it"... Sanji's past for instance, with the way his sister pushed him and said "you'll find someone to look after you" being pretty identical to how Oda treated Robin's past and her buddy Saul. So yeah, it doesn't go down as nicely since it doesn't look as unique as it was the 1st time... And even the 1st time didn't sound too good to me... In this aspect I prefer the way HxH deals with its sad moments. It comes more naturally to me. It's less pushy, in a sense.

Yeah.

 

[Yoshi]

@Kyo

Not only is it over 100 volumes, it also has no sign of stopping soon. That also makes it daunting for some new readers.

Whitebeard War sucks because it has many themes in it that are actually a precursor to the themes in Part II, a lot of running and off paneling, especially in Marineford. East Blue is better than Whitebeard War because it had more pirate themes in it.

 

[Future Warrior]

I don't get hard to him like u do lol

He's the best written character in One Piece.

 

[Kyo]

new readers

can get fucked

East Blue is better than Whitebeard War because it had more pirate themes in it.

uh

 

[ahill1]

Sabaody is part of the War arc.

I'd say Amazon Lily, if anything, qualifies more as part of the WB saga. Back on Sabaody, Luffy had no clue of his brother's pivotal role in the war, nor that he was in line to be executed, which he only learned when the old Amazon Lily empress informed him of that. Even the Amazon Lily arc seems a little detached from that considering most of its occurrences don't happen surrounded that, but the revelation still occurs there and it's from there Luffy goes rescue Ace, so yeah, I'd count that, not Sabaody though.

If it's officially labeled as Sabaody being part of that then I guess, but the arc seems more like its own.

I guess you could say Sabaody was important since it sent Luffy its separate way and to the island in which Luffy got to know Ace was held prisoner, but that's still a very light and loose involvement.

OP is literally a melodrama.

It's not. I see many of its sad moments as a melodrama, but the series as a whole, not so much. And many sad moments were still done nicely in a way that warranted my praise and enjoyment, like Doflamingo's farewell to Monet and Vergo, Wiper's "last" standing all to his land before receiving the El Thor (if he hadn't survived), Luffy and Usopp's fight with Luffy's declaration of the roughness of the situation. These moments carrie some drama into it, but I'd argue it's more dosed, to me, than others I've seen.

And then there's some speeches, like Doflamingo's monologs about War and how there's a different perspective to ppl seeing it, Law's whole speech after slicing Vergo.

Not that the characters don't have a reason to act overdramatic, it's plausible and credible, but some subtle scenes like on HxH where it's flashed the backstory of that Razor guy and he said the first time he felt accomplished was when Ging called him by the name... it generally moves me more and I like the way it's put together more.




@Kyo

 

[Kyo]

I'd say Amazon Lily, if anything, qualifies more as part of the WB saga. Back on Sabaody, Luffy had no clue of his brother's pivotal role in the war, nor that he was in line to be executed, which he only learned when the old Amazon Lily empress informed him of that. Even the Amazon Lily arc seems a little detached from that considering most of its occurrences don't happen surrounded that, but the revelation still occurs there and it's from there Luffy goes rescue Ace, so yeah, I'd count that, not Sabaody though.

Nah. You don't get to decide that the parameters for the start of the War saga is "when Luffy learns that Ace is going to be executed."

If it's officially labeled as Sabaody being part of that then I guess, but the arc seems more like its own.

It's not. It's the one that starts everything.

I guess you could say Sabaody was important since it sent Luffy its separate way and to the island in which Luffy got to know Ace was held prisoner, but that's still a very light and loose involvement.

Doesn't matter. Laboon arc is the start of the Alabasta saga and it's even more "loosely involved."

It's not. I see many of its sad moments as a melodrama, but the series as a whole, not so much. And many sad moments were still done nicely in a way that warranted my praise and enjoyment, like Doflamingo's farewell to Monet and Vergo, Wiper's "last" standing all to his land before receiving the El Thor (if he hadn't survived)

Melodrama does not mean sad.

Luffy and Usopp's fight with Luffy's declaration of the roughness of the situation

was melodrama. Usopp was all up in his feelings over a boat, for crying out loud. Come on.

Not that the characters don't have a reason to act overdramatic, it's plausible and credible

If we're looking for plausibility and credibility then nobody would be monologuing or any of that shit.