@Kyo
What a disingenuous argument. "Laboon is saved, but that in no way relates to Baroque Works."
Except Laboon isn't the only part of the arc. They met Vivi which set their journey. There's nothing disingenuous about anything.
Once again, you don't get to decide that the parameters for the start of the War saga is "when Luffy learns that Ace is going to be executed."
It's what makes the most sense. Why do you get to decide it's something loosely associated to Sabaody? It doesn't get more random than that.
I assume an arc starts when there's a strong bond connecting the events. Luffy learns about Ace's impeding condition there. I lump what comes after as the same arc, not some event loosely connected beforehand.
It is not. By definition. Did you even look at what you wrote? This is foreshadowing.
It's a connection. Luffy is firstly exposed that something is wrong with Ace. He just doesn't pay much attention. That's a connection. Just not strong enough to make Luffy care.
Correct. You have missed the point.
I haven't missed anything. Your point just doesn't make sense.
What the fuck point did you think was being made before this? Hello?
You never said anything like this. And even going that route, it doesn't work. Kuma sent Luffy there, but Luffy got there empty handed. It's THERE that he earned his right to play Hancock's ship. He has his own adventure there. And there he gets the defining information. It's Amazon Lily, not Sabaody.
Vegeta through Freeza can indeed be considered one saga. The shift from one to the other is clean enough to separate the two though, as opposed to the shift from Androids to Cell for example, which is why no official material considers them the same. Dragon Ball also places heavy emphasis on its primary antagonist when splitting its sagas
The shift from Sabaody onwards is clear too. Luffy gets there, has funny moments with the girsl, earnd their trust, has his occasional meal with everyone after the big fight and only then sets his gaze at his next challenge. It's clear enough.
Do you know how storytelling works? What is the introduction and rising action? Again, by these metrics, Alabasta does not begin until Miss Wednesday reveals that she is Vivi.
Not comparable. Again, Vivi sets their whole journey, which they could choose differently, and Zoro already fights ppl related to the organization from the get go, and joins Vivi's cause without even knowing her personally. That's very different from a Luffy that was completely oblivious about the whole Summit war, had to earn his respect in the island and only then found out Ace needed to be saved. It's all WAY more loosely connected than Vivi's introduction and the way the route is decided due to her. She decides her route to take advantage of them and they fall in a Baroque Works organization. Luffy falls in an Island and only knows of the fact way later.
Heck, you can even say the Alabasta arc only started at the revelation. It can work too.
abaody had its own "villains"
The villain in Amazon Lily was Boa Hancock. The overarching villain throughout the entire War saga is the government.
Hence why I said it has its own villain. And it's the start of the Summit War saga, most likely.
Melodrama does not mean that people cry or otherwise do things for no reason.
Let's peel this back and look at some simpler examples. Dragon Ball Z is a melodrama. Star Wars is a melodrama. William Shakespeare wrote melodramas.
I didn't say "for no reason".
"A story, film or play in which the characters show more exaggerated reactions than irl"
Luffy's reaction after fisting Usopp is grounded in reality, makes sense with reality. Usopp's care for Merry too. Also, consider the context behind Usopp, too... he had just felt a humiliating defeat. He felt hopeless, at the expense of all the supernatural crew. He didn't want only the Going Merry, apparently, but also to prove himself to Luffy. Luffy didn't care about Usopp's inability in combat, but Usopp did.
I wouldn't have even said a thing if he didn't say
