Why was Gohan drawn with a tail in Movie 5?

[Fantastische Hure]

Kind-of a meta question, but why? By this point his tail was long gone and last re-grew in the fight against Vegeta, I think. Did Toei think his tail would eventually re-grow and play a part in the story again or was it just :toei :toei :toei being :toei :toei :toei .

The real reason is because Cooler's Squad was actually lower than Gohan and thought they had to sneak-up on him to defeat him, but why do you think so?

 

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They have a tail fetish.

 

[Void]

Weird movie. Why was Vegeta not present? How did Goku get stronger after Namek and then struggle against henchmen that Piccolo jobbed? Why couldn't Goku transform at will?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Weird movie. Why was Vegeta not present? How did Goku get stronger after Namek and then struggle against henchmen that Piccolo jobbed? Why couldn't Goku transform at will?

Well Vegeta could be explained by the fact that he was dead by the Freeza Saga and they thought he might have stayed dead and they didn't see Goku turn at will yet, I think.

 

[Zippy]

Its jus pooooooop

 

[Fantastische Hure]

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[Ultimate Cell]

 

[Captain Cadaver]

The real reason is because Cooler's Squad was actually lower than Gohan and thought they had to sneak-up on him to defeat him, but why do you think so?

Despite Dore having him on the ropes and Sauzer stomping him and Kuririn and none of the three reading his battle power until KOing him and holding him by the tail. This Gohan isn't the highest just yet

As for the OP, they probably assumed there was no reason to assume Gohan wouldn't grow the tail back again based on prior knowledge and weren't aware it was Toriyama's way of phasing it out and not having to worry about the details of night scenes and Oozaru anymore.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

The real reason is because Cooler's Squad was actually lower than Gohan and thought they had to sneak-up on him to defeat him, but why do you think so?

Despite Dore having him on the ropes and Sauzer stomping him and Kuririn and none of the three reading his battle power until KOing him and holding him by the tail. This Gohan isn't the highest just yet

As for the OP, they probably assumed there was no reason to assume Gohan wouldn't grow the tail back again based on prior knowledge and weren't aware it was Toriyama's way of phasing it out and not having to worry about the details of night scenes and Oozaru anymore.

Of-course.

I mainly said that because Gohan was called low even when considering holding by the tail by Salza. I don't think he'd say that about first from Freeza level or above character (Gohan is well above this level. At-least above a million post-Zenkai). Gohan for the movie and Kuririn too must have been nerfed in the movie to the fight against the Ginyu-Force levels or something.

Besides wasn't it said somewhere that Salza & Captain-Ginyu competed for Captain of the armoured force? That'd make it seem Captain-Ginyu is above the other two.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I mainly said that because Gohan was called low even when considering holding by the tail by Salza. I don't think he'd say that about first from Freeza level or above character (Gohan is well above this level. At-least above a million post-Zenkai). Gohan for the movie and Kuririn too must have been nerfed in the movie to the fight against the Ginyu-Force levels or something.

They most likely knew Freeza had power at least comparable to his brother and most likely used it before Goku defeated him, so even a 1st or 2nd form Freeza tier character would be relatively low compared to what they may expect of Goku's allies.
Also, Sauzer later fought somewhat well against Piccolo, someone at least above 2nd form Freeza, and the Armoured Squad even pressured Base Galu in a 3 V 1 situation.

Besides wasn't it said somewhere that Salza & Captain-Ginyu competed for Captain of the armoured force? That'd make it seem Captain-Ginyu is above the other two.

That was mentioned in Sauzer's Tenkaichi 2 and 3 biographies, though it doesn't say much when information on when Neizu and Dore joined or rose to prominence is quite scarce. It's also mentioned in the same source that Sauzer is of the same race as Jheese and considering Jheese's power is already enough to be considered a mutant for his race and Sauzer being a mutant of sorts is never really mentioned, it's highly likely that he trained and became far stronger since then. Coola does seem to put more focus in training than his pre-FnF brother, after all, considering he spent time developing a new form to make up for the power disadvantage Freeza's natural strength put him at.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

True, but Salza called the reading specifically "pathetic" (or something like that) IIRC. That seems like something which he just in-general doesn't think much of, yet Freeza praised someone who had a level of 42k.

Was it ever actually stated that he trained for the form? I know it makes sense since it's a transformed form from his normal state, but maybe he just got it as he got older naturally.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

True, but Salza called the reading specifically "pathetic" (or something like that) IIRC. That seems like something which he just in-general doesn't think much of, yet Freeza praised someone who had a level of 42k.

Different characters have different standards for what they find commendable power. For instance, Goku still being impressed at the idea of someone who can oneshot Freeza being easily killed in the Boo Arc, whilst Vegeta viewed someone with decent implications of packing Freeza tier power like Pui Pui as a worthless opponent, or Dabura referring to Gohan as trash despite how close they were in power.
Freeza is also made apparent to have a feigned sense of politeness be one of his core character traits. He compliments Nail's power within the vacuum of Namekians which in his experience have capped out at 3k, yet later refers to Vegeta, Gohan and Kuririn as maggots and compares them to three ants fighting a dinosaur.

Sauzer's statement was in response to Dore's reading of Gohan having a battle power of 50 from having his tail grabbed and likely being suppressed to a resting level prior, so it's far from an accurate assessment. Dore also said prior to that "So this is a Super Saiyan?" suggesting he either believed Gohan to be Goku or expected him to be on the same level as his father.

Was it ever actually stated that he trained for the form? I know it makes sense since it's a transformed form from his normal state, but maybe he just got it as he got older naturally.

It's never stated, though there's no other real way he could gain an additional form without doing so (especially with the information revealed in Super for Freeza's GAINZ). It does fit in line with Coola's character though as the movie constantly presents him as being pragmatic in his actions and not wanting to make the mistakes of his brother; which when taking into account only Freeza and Cold are confirmed to be prodigies of their race in the Daizenshuu makes the necessity for Coola to require training to prove himself even more apparent.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Goku didn't think much of Freeza tier in the OVA though.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

That was when mentioning how he stacked up in retrospect as an enemy, whereas his exclamation in response to Shin was probably more to do with the idea of someone outside of his circle having such strength when Freeza was supposed to be the strongest in the universe until Goku went Super Saiyan.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

OK, then this might seem like an off-question but considering how the armoured-squadron are, how come they didn't try and defeat Freeza? I mean he was always in his first form and Cooler didn't seem to care for him. He was disgraced that Freeza was defeated but would he really have a problem with his hench-mengs taking him out?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

He was disgraced at Freeza being defeated as it besmirched their family/clan's image of being invincible, so he'd never have one of his men do the deed. As for why he didn't do it himself, it'd be pretty clear such an action would require Coola also having to wage war against Cold for his crime as it's clear which son was daddy's favourite. The odds still favoured Coola, but it doesn't seem like he was the kind of person to want to war against his whole family when his pride for their strength was his sole motivator of seeking revenge against Goku.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Toei probably assumed that Gohan's tail would grow soon but Toriyama trolled them.

 

[Pyro]

The movie's timeline placement is doable but odd. Trunks is back in his timeline, Vegeta is training in space, this is just a leisurely day during the training for the androids. Certainly they weren't training 100% nonstop for 3 years straight (Goku had time to show everybody his newborn Gohan despite Piccolo still being at large between Parts 1 and 2, after all).

Goku wasn't having that much trouble with the squad anyway. The most problematic was Dore's bear hug, but he was barely in that before Neiz intervened. Prior to that, he was easily dodging and blocking their assault.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Agree with almost everything, I think except Goku showing Gohan to everyone when he was just born. Gohan was 4 when he first introduced him to his friends so for four years he probably had no contact with them.

 

[Pyro]

I forgot about his age at that time. But he still took the time out of his training to spend time with Gohan and go to a social outing. He could do the same for the androids.