Yamoshi being the SSJ makes no sense

[Void]

Is Yamamoshi the only one who transformed into a SSJ though? Vegeta said that according to the legend, there was one in each 10,000 years.

1,000.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Maybe he just blew himself the fuck up whilst being so enraged and getting swarmed by the pitiful Saiyans. He supposedly didn't have self control.

Another dub thing.

What does the sub say though? The manga is so absolutely vague on the matter that AT's recent but silly explanations don't really contradict anything outright.

Rather open. It's said he's the strongest in the universe. Loves blood and destruction or something and some other stuff. The anime had that weird silhouette thing with the Golden Oozaru as-well but had no narration to go with it or anything.

 

[ahill1]

Yeah, misspelled it. Already corrected.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Probably at-least two. Otherwise how can they tell?

 

[ahill1]

What?

 

[Future Warrior]

hapter: 319 (DBZ 125), P9.4-5, P10.4-7
Goku: “I’m a Saiyan who came from Earth to defeat you…A legendary warrior whose tranquil heart has been awakened through intense rage…Super Saiyan Son Goku!”
Freeza: “I…I knew it…It seems you really are a Super Saiyan…Fu-fuffuffuh…So your tranquil heart was awakened through intense rage, huh?...I see, so that’s why Vegeta could never become one, no matter how hard he tried…”

It's always been indicated that a tranquil heart was required for activating Super Saiyan. Practically all the SSJ's we've seen so far in canon are far and away from the bloodthirsty savages typical of their species. Vegeta wasn't exactly goody two shoes but I'm pretty sure it was mentioned somewhere that earth's environment allows for an increase of S-Cells, plus he did say he had a calm heart... albeit pure evil.

Calm heart. Wasn't he trying to hecticly catch-up with Goku? How is that calm? :mikey :mikey :mikey

Devoting to something that can constitute as obsession doesn't contradict anything.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Well how can they tell there's one every 1000 years if there's only been one before?

So would you say Vegeta was calm and clear-headed when he was trying to catch-up to Goku, FW? I would say he was anything but at-least until the Boo Saga.

 

[ahill1]

But how does that add to your point? It at most proves that SSJs needn't to be calm to achieve it... But it still shows that there can be SSJs of tranquil heart and good in essence achieving the SSJ.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I'm talking about the legend which was talked about before Goku became an SSJ. Goku obviously sort-of was the exception because by what the legend told SSJs were kind-of different.

 

[Future Warrior]

Well how can they tell there's one every 1000 years if there's only been one before?

So would you say Vegeta was calm and clear-headed when he was trying to catch-up to Goku, FW? I would say he was anything but at-least until the Boo Saga.

That's what he's been doing even throughout Super and he's probably more good than Goku is currently.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

You can argue he's good now though so at-least he has a gentle heart.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

You know this discussion about the legend should probably be its own thread. Very interesting but Yamoshi spoils it.

 

[Future Warrior]

And for the record, if SSJ Goku on Namek was presented under the same scenario as Yamoshi but the Evil Saiyans were replaced with weak Freeza clones I absolutely think he would slaughter them all without mercy.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I don't think he would. Goku hadn't killed anyone after the training with Kami, he'd probably rage but then leave them to suffer.

 

[Future Warrior]

This is the same Goku that thought he'd hurt Gohan if he hadn't escaped to the ship with Piccolo.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I think he just said that so he goes. I can't see him do that.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Got to go to sleep now though.

See ye gais.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

It's just a legend so for all we know Vegeta and other Saiyans could be wrong about the first SSjin after all Goku proved them wrong that a gentle heart can turn into a SSjin. Vegeta and others probably interpret the SSjin as a violent transformation.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Oh ye, somehow every Saiyan who saw that interpreted the legend wrong. *rolls eyes*

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

It was just a legend that's all. It was a thousand years ago that a SSjin appeared so it makes sense for Vegeta and others interpretation to be different just as we humans have different interpretation about stuff happened thousand years ago.