Yardrat Goku vs Sick Goku

[p123]

Who's stronger? Why?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Sick Goku since it's easier to believe in-universe that Ten's statement was due to Galu's current SSJ power eclipsing what it was prior rather than assuming he suddenly became a tier amnesiac.

 

[Southern Gothic]

Sick Goku wins this. I have a hard time finding his sickness not only negated the three years of training but also put him into the negative from his post Yardrat self.

 

[SSJ2]

Sick Goku. Something would have been said off the bat if his power was less than what was displayed 3 years ago..

 

[p123]

Ok, let's take this one step further.

The Goku who lost power after the Kamehameha, the one who is getting beat up by 19. His initial power, not his rapid fall off of power soon after. How does this Sick Goku, Fatigued do?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Yardrat Goku. While he's weaker than Sick Goku by probably a stomping margin, Yardrat Goku has no stamina issues and can fight to his fullest, unlike Sick Goku.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Ok, let's take this one step further.

The Goku who lost power after the Kamehameha, the one who is getting beat up by 19. His initial power, not his rapid fall off of power soon after. How does this Sick Goku, Fatigued do?

That version of Sick Goku gets wrecked. Not only would I see him even coming close to his Namek self being questionable, but even if assuming he were still around Yardrat Goku's level, his overall condition is in no way capable of fending off any SSJ tier opponent for long.

 

[p123]

Alright, I guess I'm asking wrong. Who's stronger, forget about the fight.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I'd say in terms of pure strength, Yardrat Goku by a wide margin. I wouldn't see him getting absolutely stomped by Initial #19.

 

[p123]

He's not getting stomped by Initial 19 though, he's getting stomped by Post Absorption 19, who is probably rivaling or nearly rivaling Sick Goku.

 

[p123]

I think this is probably the correct chain...

20 Post > Sick Goku > 19 Post > Sicker Goku > Yardrat Goku

I bet 19/20 Pre are around Yardrat Goku.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

It's worth noting, however, that Vegeta noted that judging from #19's movements, he wasn't as fearsome as Trunks had described. This would suggest that stomping this heavily fatigued Goku wasn't a feat that someone above the SSJ Trunks that killed Freeza would be the bare minimum for and that such a feat wasn't really noteworthy to anyone capable of defeating a Super Saiyan from Vegeta's perspective.

Seems to suggest that Sick Goku > #19 (post-Kamehameha) > Initial #19 ~ Yardrat Goku >> Very Sick Goku

 

[p123]

Trunks described them as unstoppable monsters. Of course Vegeta wouldn't think the rumors were true when seeing he was drastically superior. They were told that they had no chance in the future.

19/20 are in this in between stage where they might be the real androids and might not be. But you bring up a good point. Perhaps that is the answer to know what the gap between Yardrat Goku and Sick Goku is. It's not all that big, although it probably should be progress.

At the end of the day, these chains are factual to us as of now.

1) Sick Goku > Post 19 > Sicker Goku
2) Yardrat Goku > Sick Goku
3) Post 19 shouldn't be >> Trunks

I think keeping those in mind, we can make something work. I'm going to go with Sicker Goku > 20 Pre as well.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

It's worth noting, however, that Vegeta noted that judging from #19's movements, he wasn't as fearsome as Trunks had described. This would suggest that stomping this heavily fatigued Goku wasn't a feat that someone above the SSJ Trunks that killed Freeza would be the bare minimum for and that such a feat wasn't really noteworthy to anyone capable of defeating a Super Saiyan from Vegeta's perspective.

Seems to suggest that Sick Goku > #19 (post-Kamehameha) > Initial #19 ~ Yardrat Goku >> Very Sick Goku

AT intended for 19/20 to be the androids Trunks was talking about. So, he wrote those fights imagining them as
stronger than SSJ Alternate Trunks.

 

[Victorious]

How can post #19 not be >> Future Trunks from the Mecha saga? Yardrat Goku was but post #19 isn't? Not buying that.

 

[p123]

19 Post is weaker than Sick Goku. He probably barely rivals him.

 

[Victorious]

Why can't 19 post be above sick Goku initial?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

19 post isn't even above Yardrat Goku, let alone Sick Goku.

 

[p123]

GS, 19 Post should be somewhere close to Sick Goku.

Because it doesn't seem implied. It seems that 19 got boosted up near Goku's level, Goku dropped a bit but not close to where 19 previously was.

 

[Victorious]

I have him barely over sick Goku initial but over him none the less. Don't see anything that condraticts it. Still have Piccolo wrecking him.