Yardrat Goku vs Sick Goku

[p123]

That's how I see it. I think that Yardrat Goku is somewhere around 75-80% of Sick Goku and that the Androids Post Absorption Power is somewhere around Sick Goku...

Someone who is marginally superior to Yardrat Goku who can give them cause for concern. Both Androids Post should be above Yardrat though in my opinion.

Pre Absorption is a different story.

Well it's tough to say what a "Monster" would be. Generally the term is used when the opponent is severely superior. 75% gap or better in general. You also have to use everything else around it.

Trunks considers them monsters, yet Goku gives him a little hope that in 3 years perhaps they can get it done.

Expect Androids should probably be 1.33x - 1.5x superior to Yardrat Goku at minimum I would think.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

And 19 wasn't on the expected level and 20 was on the bottom of what was expected. Probably the highest they are is 19 = 1.2x Yardrat Goku and 20 1.33x Goku. On the lowest 19 is ~ Trunks and 20 is ~ or > Goku.

 

[p123]

That's where we move on to the next issue.

From what I can see, 19 Post has caught up more or less to Sick Goku. Do you agree or disagree with that?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Disagree. Sick Goku blows Yardrat out of the water. It seems like Sick Goku was on the level of the expected androids. 20 post may have caughted up though.

 

[p123]

Ok, but you are talking about your assumptions overall. I'm just speaking about the fight itself.

Sick Goku, 19 Post, Sicker Goku, 19 Pre

Let me see your numbers for those four.

From what I can see, 19 Post should be somewhere close to Sick Goku, Sicker Goku doesn't fall quite as far as 19 Pre.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I don't really see a reason to cut the statements out and analyze only the fight. The statements and the feats complete each other.

It seems like 19 and Goku's power found each other right on the middle between 19 pre and Sick Goku. Goku wasn't doing as terrible against 19 post than 19 pre did against Goku. He was doing ok until he perished to the heart attack.

 

[p123]

Ok, so show me numerically how that should look in your view.

Sick Goku, 19 Post, 19 Pre, Sicker Goku.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Sick Goku: 100
~ Sicker: 80
Android 19: 60
~ Post: 80

 

[ahill1]

Yeah, the term monster is generally employed by someone who is way weaker than the "monster"... but not always. For instance, Tao Pai Pai and Piccolo Daimao also called Goku a monster both in their 2nd round. And we know that, in the fight against Piccolo at least, the difference was rather small. But yeah, considering Trunks still thinks Goku should be scared of them and feels only a little hope upon seeing his strength and knowing he will train for three years, besides shotting out loud how strong they are, the Z warriors were likely expecting enemies considerably above Trunks and Goku.

Vegeta doesn't think #19 match the rumors. Piccolo thinks they might be as strong as they expected. What do you guys take that to mean? That Vegeta was talking about #19 pre while Piccolo was talking about #20 post? I get somewhat confused because both Vegeta and Piccolo seem to be talking about both androids. They don't seem to be excluding one of them.

 

[p123]

GS, you have Sicker Goku = 19 Post? Didn't you see 19 whoop his ass?

 

[p123]

Which is why they should somewhere in that range. We are always given contradictory quotes, why would this be any different?

19 Post should at least be significantly above Yardrat Goku, as should Sick Goku.

 

[ahill1]

Which is why they should somewhere in that range. We are always given contradictory quotes, why would this be any different?

19 Post should at least be significantly above Yardrat Goku, as should Sick Goku.

Piccolo calling Goku a monster or Tao Pai Pai doing the same aren't really contradictory quotes and they make sense in the context they were used. Piccolo had never seen someone opposing him and keeping up with his powers as well as Goku did, and Goku was merely a child/teen back then. The same with Tao Pai Pai, he is a well known assassin well recognised among people, so some kid overwhelming him and withstanding his assault without fatal injuries would warrant such recognisement.

Maybe it isn't parallel to the Trunks' situation though, but I dunno if you can denote a big gap just over someone calling the other one a monster. It's a bit vague and nowhere as close to "he is way stronger than me". But again, maybe in such context it is.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

GS, you have Sicker Goku = 19 Post? Didn't you see 19 whoop his ass?

Goku was dodging a good bunch of 19's blows while having a heart attack.

19 Post should at least be significantly above Yardrat Goku, as should Sick Goku.

Didn't you say last page that being >> Yardrat Goku is expected Android tier?

Vegeta doesn't think #19 match the rumors. Piccolo thinks they might be as strong as they expected. What do you guys take that to mean? That Vegeta was talking about #19 pre while Piccolo was talking about #20 post? I get somewhat confused because both Vegeta and Piccolo seem to be talking about both androids. They don't seem to be excluding one of them.

I quite doubt the accurateness of the statements considering Japanese lacks plural forms.

 

[p123]

Goku was under duress, but he was still performing quite well at this point. 20 seems to think that Goku would lose as well. Is Gero's scouter off yet again?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Goku was struggling as fuck and the fact he was closer to 19 makes easier for the later to catch Goku. I think Gero would be confident on 19's victory even if he had no scouter.

 

[p123]

I don't know. Are you saying that less than half Gohan who defeated Cell, wasn't actually less than half, he was actually much weaker due to injury?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

What this has to do with anything we are discussing here?

 

[p123]

It will be revealed in due time, just answer the question.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

The injuries were actually inclued on the less than half statement, so no.

 

[p123]

I'm injured, I lost a lot of my ki. My power is now 40% of what it was before. What would his effective fighting ability be? Equal with his ki?