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Yes, Shin thinks if they combine all of their might they can possibly win. Badibi believes that if Pui Pui is not on guard he can lose. Expected Saiyans being 70-75% of Pui Pui should suffice. Shin is probably like 80-90% of their power.

This is incorrect. There is an expectation of how the Saiyans are likely to perform that is shown by the predictions made by several characters. “They have marvelous energy” “I wouldn’t hope to be able to defeat you Goku” “One of you is the strongest in this realm, but he (Dabura) is the...

You should. When all the characters are heading in one direction, it's clear the author is leading you down a road. Rejecting the road is pointless, the author's intention is clear. Yes, there expectations are aligned. They have some basic information on each other so their assumptions should...

Base Gohan outperformed Kibito in strength. Gohan never considered using Super Saiyan to fight Kibito, despite his partner making Piccolo quit. The evidence is insurmountable.

But that's exactly what you are doing. You have to think from an in-universe perspective. Not from our own perspective. No, this is the incorrect way to look at it. Goku calls Freeza's double Kienzan an amatuer move. There's something we are missing. We don't understand exactly why our logic...

What seems likely is that our understanding of his paralysis powers are flawed. Just like how it’s not so easy for Solar Flare Kienzan combo to be used all the time, Kaioshins psychic abilities have their limits for reasons unknown. We can’t somehow rewrite the story because our logic seems...

What seems likely is that our understanding of his paralysis powers are flawed. Just like how it’s not so easy for Solar Flare Kienzan combo to be used all the time, Kaioshins psychic abilities have their limits for reasons unknown. We can’t somehow rewrite the story because our logic seems...

Why would Kaioshin not fight at all if the Saiyans are losing?

Check this out... Goku 150 Vegeta 90 Gohan 60 Pui Pui 50 Expected Saiyans 35 Kaioshin 30 This saga might be a repeat of...

Seems like a backwards approach to things. You should be thinking in reverse, more like, Super Saiyan 2 can't be merely a 2x multiplier because the gap between Goku and Vegeta in the Buu Saga would make Ssj Goku way too close to Ssj2 Vegeta.

This is the issue with your argument. How can you answer the following? Did Badibi expect Pui Pui to kill the Saiyans in front of Kaioshin? What did he expect Kaioshin to do while Pui Pui was killing them?

Hmm, I wonder if I have been neglecting Goku's advantage over Vegeta too much. I think I have been. There's really no reason for Vegeta to have closed the gap on Goku at all, the gap should be just as massive as it was during the Cell Games. Since Vegeta says, "I couldn't close the gap." Now...

@GreatSaiyaman123 Shin makes assumptions about the strength of Badibi's warriors. "Badibi only collects the strongest warriors in existence..." @Pakl Unlikely since Badibi only collects the strongest in the entire universe. He has even continued his search into the Demon Realm of all...

Exactly. Which is why we know... Pui Pui >> Expected Saiyans > Shin Shin is a non-factor. And he's not powerful enough to stop the threat on his own, he needs to work with them. That's the entire point. He's not in a position of power. Put it this way, if he could easily wipe them out except...

The Pui Pui vs Shin gap has to be s massive. Pui Pui should be capable of defeating 3 fighters with superior strength to Shin. Pui Pui >>= 3 Expected Saiyans > Shin Because Shin acknowledges the Saiyans as his superiors and so does Badbi and co.

Yeah, he's going to have to be weaker. That makes things quite difficult to explain. Not exactly sure what to do. I mean, the boys can be a bit weaker than the Cell Jrs, so that's still doable. I think we'd have to make them at least a good bit weaker to make this list doable. Probably gotta...

Also, you can only make Base CG Trunks so strong. I'm fine with him being significantly stronger than the Future Androids. It's really not that big of a problem. There's evidence he's very strong based on the Base Boys power as well as Trunks vs Imperfect Cell. This is truly a difficult puzzle...

@GreatSaiyaman123 Are you using Super Saiyan as a 2.5x boost for the Adults? Also, why not take advantage of the boys using the rosat? That might help clear up some issues. Can you show me the anime line that says SSJ2 is more than 10x? @Natasha Romanoff Clear example of a TOEI throwaway...

Yeah it’s screwed man. Put some numbers together and let’s see what it looks like, let’s try your approach. Could explain the big difference in Base Gotenks power as well

It’s an inconsistency, TOEI can’t be fully trusted whereas AT, especially old AT can. So TOEI lines can be suspect at times. So it’s logically consistent in this case to assume that Base Gotenks > Majin Buu is legit whereas Piccolo > Gotenks is not.