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Yea, Goku's gamble had to do with kids mastering the fusion. And it was a gamble because they had like only 2 days Goku was pretty explicit that if they master the fusion, they will be able to defeat Buu. He pretty much tells this to Chi-Chi

But Freeza is not using transformation, his 100% is his natural state Not quite. When SSJ Gotenks appeared Piccolo did note that he had the power, but wanted to check his speed There is no point to that if his power was lacking, as then he would just say he was too weak to defeat Buu. Also...

Didn't V-Jump also state that SSj3 Goku is on par with Buuhan?

I was debating a clown on Naruto Forums who kept trying to refute Pre ROSAT SSJ Gotenks being anywhere close to SSJ3 Goku by saying that Goku was suppressed, and I told him that SSJ3 is too draining and unstable to be suppressed, at which they pointed out Vegeta statement

So the manga and anime tell us that Buff Buu>Super Buu However, Buff Buu is only Kid Buu+South Kaioshin, who is weaker than SSJ Adult Gohan This would put Super a very small amount above Kid Buu, which goes against larger gap presented in the buu arc Your thoughts?

What do you think? Can SSJ3 form be suppressed? Goku wasn't going all out against Fat Buu and Vegeta noted his power is beyond his imagination when he fought Kid Buu. You can chalk this up to effort as Goku wasn't trying to kill Fat Buu but still; what do you think?

He wasn’t, but i think he was at least 50% considering he too was tired from the fight Do you think hypothetical Grade 3 Goku would have higher raw power than SSJ2 Goku?

Yes, but the Grade 3 Trunks is only stronger than suppressed Perfect Cell, not Full power one

Grade 3 was used by Trunks who is weaker than even Semi Cell in SSJ Goku/Gohan SSJ were in middle ranges of Perfect Cell’s power

Reread the op post i am only talking raw power

Vegeta loses.

Cell wins or you are wrong

On Namek he goaded Freeza into transforming tho

Which gives higher raw power? We are not talking speed, stamina, just physical power. We are comparing the form of the same user: SSJ2 Goku and SSj Grade 3 Goku.

Goku wasn't special. He was lucky. He received the most efficient forms of training. If he didn't go to the afterlife he wouldn't probably been able to defat Nappa

Charge Super Explosive Wave for an entire hour and then shunkan ido in front of Cell to kill him

Cooler wins Goku was around equal with Cooler

Dies

Isnt more proper one Fused Zamasu

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