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Curious what people think of Saiyans scaling that high.

And happy new year.

Base Gogeta runs the gauntlet vs the most powerful in their respective Sagas. He may only go SSJ1-3 if absolutely necessary, no higher, and if you think he must then specify which form & where. Assume that DBS Broly Goku ~ ToP Goku.

Earlier you asserted that at the moment of Gohan's ki flare, he was stronger than SSJ3 Goku, if you are now saying he was not, then there's no need to argue this further. Agree 100%, but Janemba never powered up, the only thing that changed was that he drew his sword. How do you quantify the...

If Gohan was far, far away, & Evil Boo was very close, it's likely that Gohan's Ki signature was drowned out by Evil Boo's based on proximity & immediate threat. There's no other way I can possibly put it. Janemba's 2nd form > SSJ3 Goku, but he was STLL losing to Goku. Clearly, it's not...

Everyone on Earth who mattered was focused on him: Yes, theoretically they could sense Gohan from Earth, but if they were focused on EVIL BOO, wouldn't that distract them, & possibly prevent them from sensing Gohan? Especially since that Ki that was distracting them was already somewhat...

On the contrary, whether it was momentary or not could very well make a difference, & like I said everyone at that time was focused on Evil Boo. My point about the feats thing is that it's not clear cut that Movie 12 Goku is vastly stronger than mainline Goku as many might make it out to be...

Gohan's first aura flare was momentary, & everyone on Earth was trying to get a read on Evil Boo when that happened. It's entirely possible that Gohan's brief aura flare < SSJ3 Goku's sustained aura flare in terms of how easy it is to sense or power output. Trained & got stronger by how much...

Because Goku's ki (his battle power) was sensed across infinitely sized dimensions, & into one that is at least 4D. Anyway, I made it clear that it's only POSSIBLY a greater feat.

As I said, Goku's ki being sensed across infinitely sized dimensions into a higher dimension MIGHT be considered a greater feat than shaking one infinitely sized dimension. Janemba was breaking the barriers between Hell & the Living Realm through hax: hax =/= strength feat

I'm inclined to say that Goku's transformation into a SSJ3 against Fat Boo displays a more impressive feat than shaking the afterlife by SSJ3 Goku in Movie 12, because his ki was felt in dimensional spaces which reside in higher dimensions (the Kaioshin Realm, which is at least one dimensional...

Note that Gosen Zosama says Base Gokuhan would not need to transform to beat Bootenks: Base Gokuhan >= Bootenks El Manga Legendario implies that the "Rival Boost" makes up for the difference in Vegeta & Gohan & then some, leading to Vegetto surpassing the hypothetical Gokuhan: Base Vegetto...