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Well, it should have already been apparent Pui Pui would be no issue when he sensed SSJ2 Gohan. It tells me he's thinking in the worst case scenario and mot being so rational.

Kaioshin was cautious

Kingdom -- 7.5/10

Ultimate is more like a permanent state. It isn't a transformation of the like, it's like a fixed state you achieve once you complete the last part of the ritual, which is drawing out all the power. It's different from basically all transformations and states, in a way itra permanent thing...

You mean Boo arc 18? Kaioshin easily if so. Super 18, who knows, lol

What was needed? I think the only thing you could argue was nerfed is if you think 50% Goku >>>>> the Cell that kicked Vegeta's ass. Outside of it, I fail to see anything needed there. Actually, if I used a 50x multiplier, I'd need to bloat things from my PoV to have the base kids ~ 18. It may...

Thanks for the answer and sorry for the childish attitude on that thread back then, I was annoyed, but resorting to insult is just childish and accomplishes nothing. Yeah, I've been on vacations after a very stressing year on college and after 2 weeks of vacations I'm kinda trying to challenge...

I like p's gaps, tho I still really like having a 10x SSJ multiplier and having the base kids ~ 18 (and I bought the idea of them being ~ CGs Vegeta and Trunks), so the gaps would still need to be kinda like 1.6x between all those bigger ones in the Cell saga to me. 18 -- 10 17 - 11 16 - 20...

Come on, you're talking to the power level boss.

Hi there. Let's debate on a topic, SF. We choose the topic and go at it until it's dried up in a nice way with no insults. I wanna challenge my ability to think on evidences once more. Plz

Both 2x gap to me.

I just made it fit.

If you say the multiplier has changed for one part and came back to normal, you'd be arguing it changed at some point anyways. So it's not different from what I have.

Like you said yourself, you can't have Gero getting a significant boost when applying a 50x boost there. So if you want to make any sense of his words in regards to an expected Vegeta, you'd have to already decrease the 50x boost right there. I'd rather not. I think I can afford it... As I've...

No one at the same time. At a same time frame and under same training, I've all Saiyans getting exactly the same boost, with the only, exceptional and minimal exception being EoZ Goku due to what I said, my theory that he's approaching his limits and his training, as he evolves to his...

And as long as they evolve themselves, they'll do it the right way, little by little. There're steps for the evolution. Nah, I think that's plenty enough. Gohan + Kuririn + Ten was estimated by Gero as both being enough vs Vegeta, no where were them compared as the same boost it'd give Gero...

@Power Level Guy There's no evidence, sure, but it falls back into my theory that the base state ia getting closer until, in the final evolution state, it's all accessible through a base-like state, without the need to transform, as Elder Kaioshin stated --- SSJ is the wrong way of doing...

There, now it's done. Made some final edits and now the list is complete.

What are yout guys criticisms of my list the way it is now? Once mastered, SSJ regressed from 50x to 25x (I like to still keep it as above 20x due to Kaioken x20 becoming obsolete)... And having bigger gaps helped that. For fusions, it regressed from 25x to 10x... Basically halving when the...

In all seriousness tho, did Trunks grow stronger considerably post training as Gotenks in the RoSaT. Not as much as Gotenks, not nearly as much ofc, but he got a power jump. And this Trunks from years after the Boo arc, is he stronger than the start of Boo arc one? Which Trunks would Vegeta be...