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Yeah I'd also likely chalk that up to their emotional state. Piccolo even confused the time thing with the RoSaT, thinking things there would occur at a way higher pacing. Gotenks was most of the time within the RoSaT and when they were unfused as base Goten and Trunks before, I think the stress...

Not that it matters to the topic(I'm also of the opinion the team gets defeated easily), but is Gotenks even stronger than Super Boo? Super Boo seemed to acknowledge Gohan only as superior and as a threat... And seemed angry saying he'll allow no one to surpass him, speaking to Gohan. It's...

A: if the character they thought they could beat didn't power up nor anything, then I'd say it's misguided confidence... Doesn't mean much. It doesn't even necessarily mean they are > the one who lost, since they should be above the winner, so if he was already misguided to the point he couldn't...

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Well yeah but that's assuming they were suppressed. Manga-wise, in the context of the fight against Raditz, I find it kinda hard to swallow. Raditz commented their defenses were better than he thought but it's not like he perceived a high increase. When Raditz mocked their battle power post...

Hi there. Welcome to the forum and enjoy for it may be one of the forums with the nicest and most welcoming atmosphere. It's generally DB centered here, but there're many fans (me included) who like to discuss things related to many mangas in general, specially HxH (for me and others) and DN...

So according to Herms, what Cell stated was more like: Cell : Take a look. Vegeta and Trunks are barely holding their own With the "ya", being a non-exhaustive term, possibly indicating Vegeta and Trunks weren't necessarily the only ones holding their own, just the first examples to come to...

Solely based in those visuals, would you say Piccolo had it worse than Vegeta and Trunks?

Well. Yeah he didn't specify necessarily that no one had surpassed him, he said that everyone had surpassed him already iirc. But it'd be also strange for Tenshinhan to be seeking training, or rather, for them to call the earthlings to train there if Tenshinhan were already above Kami-Sama imo...

As given in the scouters, Goku and Piccolo seemed around the 400s mark and it's kinda a stretch, though it'd make more sense of things, to assume their overall level was way above that. If that's so, how strong do you imagine Kami-Sama and Mr. Popo? Even 300 may be too big for Kami. Though the...

Yeah I get that. It's tough to rationalize that. I myself am not sure, you may be totally right in regards to the power also following the speed increase and then the level used to kick the blast back being yet another level of power.

Well, he was blitzed badly by Freeza, but still didn't see how fast he moved besides just knowing it was in a pace he couldn't even see. I think that's different from knowing how fast it is besides "I can't see him at all". As for Freeza, I see it similarly as Cell... Cell stated "I'll get...

Do you think sometimes valuing intent over content, may be justifiable or even the best approach? For example, Toriyama thought the SSJ, or at least he had a feeling of SSJ, being more like a 10x boost, though the overall story implication (which iirc from the interview had Toriyama himself...

May also be a programming thing... That Gero made Cell in a way he wouldn't rest until he reached that ultimate power... And maybe the concept of the goal for reaching perfection Cell was programmed to have as a goal had Saiyans cells such as Vegeta and maybe Freeza specially shine brighter due...

It's possible, though I tend to see that Freeza using the same level of power his speed had when being a little serious after vanishing from Vegeta's vision field. He initially increased speed only imo as that was what he noticed and the thing that Vegeta was keeping up with him... And later on...

Yeah you can safely give HxH a try. I've reread all of the manga recently since my brother was also reading it (he had only watched the 2011 anime) and we discussed it later... It's just a very good story. Even arcs that in my recollection used to be meh like greed island ended being way better...

Discussing about games..... Pfffttt. How boring. And the last post is from FW.... Expected better from you man!

Do you like to be asked stuff irl? Did you like when people in your course would ask you to help them understanding things? Would you like to work as a teacher in your field? Do you prefer to keep your political opinions to yourself generally? Do you think that artists that say they prefer to...

I think P is saying that Freeza showcased an initial level beyond initial true form Freeza vs Vegeta, both when being more serious in speed and when kicking the ball to the sky. So Freeza (vs Vegeta) > Freeza (initially) >= Vegeta Then Freeza goes back to this initial level >= Vegeta when...

Maybe it was a statement meant to contrast with Super Vegeta showing up and being stronger than Cell himself, who still wasn't the perfect being.