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Damn that was ferocious, come on @GreatSaiyaman123 you gotta admit your arguments are all fallacies and feelings. The story is clear.

Jackie is way stronger than Yamcha, but Yamcha's Wolf Fang Fist is pretty close to Krillen's initial power. Jackie Chun ~ Krillen (FP) > Krillen (Holding Back) >= Yamcha WFF > Yamcha

The point was to give us our absolute top end of what Piccolo's power could be combining his super strong Cell Games suggestions and his super weak Buu Saga suggestions. I'd say the ultimate limit would be using Base Goku CG = Warm Up Goku as our limit and just play around with it and see if...

Jackie is probably 100, using 80 effort or so.

Yamcha at 60, WFF at 70. Nice and clean. Krillen at 75 (holding back) Jackie at 100. Krillen true power is 100. The reason WFF in the first saga is 1.16x, is because I like lining up the 70/60 ratio it looks perfect.

It’s a placeholder ssj2 can be what you want this is about the relation between super Saiyan and ssj3. Ssj2 is irrelevant to this discussion

Later when he’s seeking out chichi

He later thinks he can still beat Goku with WFF I believe.

Then why does Yamcha think he can win with WFF despite knowing Gokus full power? WFF has to exceed Gokus power.

How strong do you have him?

The base Saiyans are way above Piccolo. That’s the evidence right there

That definitley does look very nice. But Yamchas WFF gotta be above Goku no? and yea 1.33x for Kamehameha is perfect. 1.5x for Super Kamehameha?

Yes

Let's make Base Goku = Warm Up Goku and work from there. I can't imagine making Goku any higher than that right now. Imagine Base Goku fighting toe to toe with someone who one shotted Super Vegeta? Honestly, it doesn't seem too far fetched now. It doesn't seem like there will be enough room to...

Sure, he overhypes himself, but he should still have some basic ki sensing. The key thing to remember here is, what do all other Base Fusions look like? The answer is, simply amazing. Insane power. Base Gotenks being Super Saiyan 2 tier, and then post training being Super Saiyan 3 tier is in...

I think they are likely hiding their true power to sell it. Remember they are all about showmanship at this point. Sure there's something wrong with every option. There might be something to be gained by trying this route out. It might make us less anxious about giving Piccolo his due.

Let's see how bad it looks. Without looking at the numbers, I love the Base Post > Ssj Pre > Base Pre > Majin Vegeta chain, let's keep the 50x boost and see what happens, numbers be damned... Majin Vegeta 100 Base Gotenks 160 Super Saiyan 3 Goku...

Base Gotenks Post > Ssj Gotenks Pre would be that evidence. Well let's try it out and see what we can come up with. We have to break out of this "oh the numbers don't look good" mold and just pursue valid power chains. Why can't Piccolo be above Super Vegeta? What's limiting him? Nothing...

Sure, why not? Because the evidence suggests Goku is so much stronger than Trunks, he should be able to tank him. Whereas there is no evidence for Trunks being quite that strong. Heck, it might even be a 50x gap. What do you think of Base Goku = Warm Up Goku? Maybe that solves the issue with...

Because Gotenks can measure his own power against himself? Gotenks knows his Base power now exceeds his Super Saiyan power. The implication makes it a fact, regardless of Super Buu. Base Gotenks Post ~ Super Buu Estimated >> Ssj Gotenks Pre And after we see Gotenks get smashes all that means...