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23rd Budokai Chi-Chi. Who wins?

Queen has a bigger bounty than Katakuri's and considering this is the only piece of evidence comparing both, I'm inclined to cling to it. Sanji seems to have a sizeable lead over Queen, so he should take out Katakuri without major difficulties.

I think I've made this thread before, but always seemed fun to speculate. The Reject Dial is given as a wayy more powerful impact dial, given in some translations as 10x more powerful, but the Rokuougun (Lucci's attack) is described by Luffy as "it looks like an impact dial, but a lot more...

"Has father really become so incredible?". I've seen ppl saying Gohan was in awe at Goku's power looking at this Herm's line, but we need to look a little more sensibly in that... he's just saying "is father so incredible as they say? He doesn't look that impressive". He's actually doubting...

I honestly don't know. I still have my doubts in regards to how I view the Shin Kikoho power wise.

I dislike how Sanji wasn't the one to beat up that woman. It'd have made things more interesting and dark. But no, they had to do the cliche route and make Queen the responsible for the act. They need to stop hyping up things and making on-the-surface surprising scenes when it ends up being...

Skypiea is very cool actually.

I dunno, he seemed to edge out Kuririn on their image training heading to Namek. If Kuririn was 1,500 with weights on, maybe Gohan was already approaching 2,000?

HxH > OP tho

Read Yu Yu Hakusho and mainly HxH.

Why is start Vegeta 16k not 18k?

Withheld has got it more or less right

It's hard with the spacing. Maybe 21k? Btw 500k for Vegeta seems really fine for me too. I think they are very close. I just generally go with 480k myself.

Which one do you prefer? Super's blue version, anime's white version (might be wrong) or manga's purple version?

480,000 seems a nice spot to me. Vegeta held Freeza still for a while, but he gassed out while Freeza remained fresh. Problem though is that such is the same gap I apply to handsome Zarbon vs Vegeta... I don't know if Zarbon could pull off this feat on Vegeta...

I sometimes don't post in the threads I've agreed with the answer as I wouldn't have much to add. But honestly, I'd be fine with 20 being THAT stronger than 19 and having a chain of "20 pre >>> Vegeta (post energy absorption) >>> 19 (post Vegeta) >>> 19 (post Goku) >>> 19 initial). I wouldn't...

Wtf this ain't funny at all. They clearly can't replicate the original series funny scenes, this Vegeta and Goku scene seemed cringe to me as well.

The way the characters acquire power is incredibly lazy. This arc has been boring af thus far.

Jaya represents one of OP's themes as well... casting doubt and shame at those who mock the goals of others (Bellamy) and showing that there're no boundaries to ppl's dreams... and that pursuing them is as noble as it comes.

So we know that 19 absorbed quite a lot from Vegeta's energy, and yet he was completely hopeless once Vegeta disarmed him. Vegeta had more than enough power to wipe him out, yet he had to bluff his way out vs 20. Is the gap between 19 and 20 that large? Something like: 20 pre >> Vegeta >>> 19...