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A guide page for the GT Hero's Journey special anime comic says Vegetto "may be even story than a super Saiyan 4!" How do you take this? 1. Z Super Vegetto >/~ GT SSJ4 Goku(first appearance) 2. Potara SSJ ~ SSJ4 relative to individual base powers 3. Vegetto SSJ3 >/~ SSJ4 relative to...

100% Freeza: 120 SSjin Goku (Namek): 150 Mecha Freeza: 200 SSjin Future Gohan (2 arms): 336 Future Android 17 (less than half): 346 SSjin Future Gohan (1 arm): 420 SSjin Futuee Trunks (Trunks' Arc): 480 SSjin Goku (Post Yardrat): 600

These are only a stop gap to the real deal.

And yours?

Orangutan is larger and more powerful at full size assuming we are talking about males. As soon as the chimp attacks it's like Brock Lesnar vs Joe Rogan. Orangutan-Brock wins.

Betelgeuse wins no difficulty. Neither Jason nor Michael speak, and you need to say Betelgeuse 3 times to get rid of him, or summon a sand worm, or perhaps use an incantation, all things Jason not Michael would do or be able to. By comparison Betelgeuse might as well have toon force since he...

To be damaged "this much" can easily be just cosmetic damage. Goku's statement is weird as balls. It implies that Freeza stopping the x20 KHH is evidence that he's using 50%, but to know Freeza's 50% would entail also knowing Freeza's 100%, but Goku wanted to see Freeza's 100% power later to...

He is definitely more visibly dirtied and scratched and the anime has him say he was damaged. Goku takes his blasts to the body while Freeza catches the x20 KHH so that can contribute to why Freeza was left in fighting shape while Goku wasn't.

I mean Freeza can be in the Goldilocks zone of facing a blast near or slightly above his level without being moved back a notable distance.

Wouldn't that just mean Freeza can be in that Goldilocks zone as well?

Goku pulls the full Nelson and the Saibaman self-destructs.

You are suggesting Goku is using weakened attacks but he's also trying to damage himself but if the attacks are weakened he wouldn't damage himself. DBS also shows Goku firing a Kamehameha at himself on King Kai's planet and stopping it.

Goku's trying to hurt himself.

"Should of" is incorrect grammar.

That doesn't debunk the fact that he took his own blast without moving. That's the whole point. It means one can take a blast of their own level without moving.

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He's not forced back which is what the point of discussion was.

That's a Viz-ism. The real quote: Piccolo: That's unfortunate. One can only spend 2 days... a total of 48 hours, in the Room of Spirit and Time in their lifetime. It means physical build matters. Roshi had more force in his kick because he was bigger than Goku.

Here are some examples: EDIT: Lol @GreatSaiyaman123 I used the same example without seeing yours.