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Scan is wrong. It(the x20 Kamehameha or the whole x20 Kaio-Ken assault) hurt. Freeza didn't say he was hurt here. Though in the anime a moment prior he did say this was the first time someone did this much damage to his body. It's about time no one worth their salt would dare use...

Vegeta refers to "changing battle powers" more in the sense of hiding true power. Without the fixation on BoZ Goku's KHH being over 2x his detected level later fights would be much easier to interpret. Especially in cases like Vegeta vs Recoome where Vegeta's best effort can hardly damage...

Usually they're talking about ki from a person when making strength comparison statements.

Typo. Also here's a more direct comparison between base and M8 Super Vegeta:

Right, well they had a double-KO, so they could have had near equal levels at the time. Absorbing the Final Revenge Death Ball could either be temporary or permanent. With a year gap up to the S17 saga it could go either way, either Goku just trained and got that much stronger or the FRDB...

Are you referring to Baby's death? Baby on his own is leagues below SSJ4 Goku. Goku ultimately wore down GGA Baby-Vegeta and obliterated his tail while he was downed. I think it's still reasonable that SSJ4 Goku just needs to be moderately stronger than GGA BV. As for Gohan, I haven't looked...

What am I going to tell my discord posse now?!

My new experimental numbers: Multipliers: SSJ: 50 SSJ2: 100 SSJ3: 400 Golden Great Ape: 4000 SSJ4: 40,000 SSJG(non-ritual): 800 SSJB: 40,000 Scaling: Gotenks RoSaT: 3-6x Base Goku/Vegeta EoZ = Approximately Good Buu/Fat Buu level Go: Cell Games Saga: SSJ2 Gohan: 200 Super Perfect Cell...

I don't think it's necessary to scale it that way.

@HunterR18 Thanks but that doesn't help us lol.

Only GT.

Many many guidebooks, all the anime fair pamphlets, a few more pamphlets, GT Dragon Box Japanese, Full Vizbig manga, complete full color manga in Japanese, the English full color manga up to Freeza saga, full set of anime comics for anime and movies, some anime comics reprints, among others. I...

I just went through the GT episodes with Golden Great Ape Baby-Vegeta and there are frustratingly few statements to put a concrete number on his power. Right away I'll dismiss the 10,000x GGA multiplier as it is based off of an assumption that a 1,000x increase in Blutz waves for Baby-Vegeta...

Honestly I'm committed to making some game models so that's consuming a lot of my time, but I guess I should try to split my schedule.

Suppressed Freeza kicking back Vegeta's big energy ball and Vegetto kicking back Buuhan's energy ball. Also in the anime we have SSJ Goku stopping Freeza's big purple energy ball and punching it into space. Underground gas vein, genius. You fellas need to exercise a lot more caution before...

You should add another category: rebounding. it's one thing to redirect a blast that is still traveling away from the shooter or to the side, but to rebound back to the shooter proves you can effectively negate its pushing force and then some.

It's the pump, with possibly some swelling from damage.

I don't deliberately try to memorize the most facts but I dare say I'm the one here with the most access to physical sources.

If nothing else you could just lower base Goku so the x10 KHH is closer to 50% Freeza. My point was more for how we could scale attack amps with Kaio-Ken and transformations.

It's as strong as needed to make sense of the scene. I think 12.5% gap is within the margin that it could go either way between the fighters, just not 50/50 odds.