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  1. Dagon

    What Do You Believe Is The Dumbest Addition To DBS?

    Kid Buu absorbing god power. Just mucks up the Buu saga more. Mr. Buu somehow getting god tier strength by punching rocks. Piccolo not being the one to hear the tiny bug guy scurrying around in the ToP. The overdone focus on Goku and Vegeta, showing tremendous power growth, and other characters...
  2. Dagon

    Why 50% MSSjin Goku > SSjinG3 Trunks

    It's kind of mind-boggling that I was engaged in this debate 7 years ago... I didn't think it was that long. I'll amend my opinion a bit. It's not specifically stated that the Z Fighters thought Cell was at full power. So it was not good for me to say that back then. The arguments presented...
  3. Dagon

    Goku not absorbing SSJG in the Manga

    Show me where it is stated that he didn't.
  4. Dagon

    Do you think Future Trunks vs Dabura (in both medias) just goes on to show that Dabura was really intended to be on Cell's level?

    This is the only good point you've made this entire time. Good effort, finally. However, it still doesn't deny getting energy from Gohan's stone state. In DBS we see that Old Kai dies when Dabura destroys the Z Sword that had been turned to stone. That should count as damage. So Dabura can...
  5. Dagon

    Do you think Future Trunks vs Dabura (in both medias) just goes on to show that Dabura was really intended to be on Cell's level?

    Nope, they need to be in Babidi's ship or near the level portals to get the energy. Neither of those were the case for Piccolo and Krillin. They thought they were so weak it wouldn't be worth the trouble to get their energy, and decided to use them as bait to get the others to fight Dabura where...
  6. Dagon

    Do you think Future Trunks vs Dabura (in both medias) just goes on to show that Dabura was really intended to be on Cell's level?

    Stop making things up. At no point is this ever stated nor is it supported in extra material. I dare you to find a quote to support it. It won't happen. You can't do it. Stop lying. What's the point of this? I never said that. Dabura was luring them in to the ship to fight. The only way to...
  7. Dagon

    Do you think Future Trunks vs Dabura (in both medias) just goes on to show that Dabura was really intended to be on Cell's level?

    Vegeta deliberately spoke out to inspire Babidi to raise his power. The fact that Dabura tried to kill Gohan with stone spit and the sword indicates that Dabura is not playing around. If Gohan were turned to stone, they'd get his energy. If Gohan got struck in the head with the sword, he'd die...
  8. Dagon

    Do you think Future Trunks vs Dabura (in both medias) just goes on to show that Dabura was really intended to be on Cell's level?

    Babidi says they'll take "their" energy as in both Goku and Vegeta, so that's why it's better to use Vegeta. They seemed to only be taking Gohan's energy earlier, maybe they can't use Dabura's energy. Dabura's mission is to damage Gohan. It doesn't make sense to hold back as that would mean...
  9. Dagon

    Do you think Future Trunks vs Dabura (in both medias) just goes on to show that Dabura was really intended to be on Cell's level?

    Does Dabura call Vegeta the best fighter? I recall he calls Vegeta a splendid fighter. It doesn't make sense that Dabura would hold back or suppress in the first battle with Gohan as the whole point is to cause damage to Gohan. He even tries to kill Gohan with a sword. Come on man.
  10. Dagon

    Do you think Future Trunks vs Dabura (in both medias) just goes on to show that Dabura was really intended to be on Cell's level?

    Dabura suggested Vegeta be made a Majin out of convenience. Vegeta loudly proclaimed he wanted to fight Goku and Dabura took the bait to have the Earthlings fight each other for them. Dabura being confident in beating Gohan doesn't have to be because he thinks he can one-shot Gohan or that he...
  11. Dagon

    SSJ Grade 3 = 10x?

    Your claim of 10 being hyperbole is super arbitrary and unjustified. You just don't like the implications it brings for Grade 3.
  12. Dagon

    Do you think Future Trunks vs Dabura (in both medias) just goes on to show that Dabura was really intended to be on Cell's level?

    That still isn't enough to say that Dabura had more power that wasn't shown prior. That's a pretty subjective point.
  13. Dagon

    Do you think Future Trunks vs Dabura (in both medias) just goes on to show that Dabura was really intended to be on Cell's level?

    Gohan was rusty so he would be outmatched by someone like Dabura who has his skills sharp, not to mention his magic. The manga is enough for this.
  14. Dagon

    SSJ Grade 3 = 10x?

    No, 10 is a specific number. It would be hyperbole if the number was not specific like "like a hundred stars coming together."
  15. Dagon

    Do you think Future Trunks vs Dabura (in both medias) just goes on to show that Dabura was really intended to be on Cell's level?

    It's never said Dabura wasn't using full effort. Your scan doesn't say anything like that. There's other material that says Gohan was superior in power to Dabura but was having trouble because of rusty skills(Dragon Box book).
  16. Dagon

    SSJ Grade 3 = 10x?

    Then 10x is not hyperbole.
  17. Dagon

    Do you think Future Trunks vs Dabura (in both medias) just goes on to show that Dabura was really intended to be on Cell's level?

    The only thing that matters is that Future Dabura is shown being on Z Sword SSJ Trunks' level, so it doesn't matter how he got that way. It is what it is. You are using an argument from incredulity. Your incredulousness is irrelevant.
  18. Dagon

    SSJ Grade 3 = 10x?

    Would it be hyperbole if they said 9.2378484838383 times?
  19. Dagon

    SSJ Grade 3 = 10x?

    Hyperbole with a specific number?
  20. Dagon

    Do you think Future Trunks vs Dabura (in both medias) just goes on to show that Dabura was really intended to be on Cell's level?

    Buu punching rocks is paltry in comparison to the battles he's had before. The point is he got stronger from exertion. I never said each battle gives a big improvement.

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