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  1. Dagon

    Toyo thinks Gohan was SSJ2

    Using only the manga or anime, Z-Sword SSJ2 Gohan can be high enough to somewhat compare with Fat Buu. Gohan should know the levels, and he suggested the idea of the Z-Sword training being the truth behind the legend. I guess 80% of Fat Buu at best. Of course the Kakarot game gives the idea...
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    DRAGON BALL Z TV Animation Comics - have you heard of or read these?

    I actually own all of these in Japanese. Had to get them imported from Japan. They are screenshots of the anime in manga form.
  3. Dagon

    Piccolo regenerating in the Boo Saga

    Remember that regeneration cost Piccolo a ton of ki when his battle power was near 400. Why should it cost the same proportional amount every time? Maybe it's based on raw ki, so his regeneration later costs a minuscule amount compared to his level.
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    Is it EML who says that Vegetto is > Gokhan (Potara)?

    Not exactly. Comparing with the manga, the Spanish version has some better moments, like Nail making Piccolo 5x stronger which fits better with hypothetical merged Kamiccolo being a rival to 1st form Freeza at a 2x increase.
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    Z-Sword Gohan proves SSJ2 more than 2x

    I think you had too many energy drinks and you're jumping all over the place with conclusions. Future Dabura vs Z-Sword Trunks has no bearing on whether Gohan was SSJ or SSJ2 against present Dabura. There's no logical link between them. No character says "oh this means such and such because of...
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    Is it EML who says that Vegetto is > Gokhan (Potara)?

    "El Manga Legendario" aka The Legend of Manga or The Legendary Manga. They were 50 magazines made to be packaged with figurines in the European market. It was in Spanish, French, Italian, and Greek.
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    Goku Vegeta and Gohan power levels in DB Daima and BoG

    Maybe SSJ2 is linked to rage while SSJ3 is linked to concentration. Like branching paths. Furious mutation SSJ2 could be the rage based path.
  8. Dagon

    Toyo thinks Gohan was SSJ2

    You mean it's your opinion that Toyos work says Gohan was SSJ2... when? Against Dabura? Looking at the points again, were you equating future Dabura and present Dabura's powers? I think Future Dabura > present Dabura because he was clean while Z-Sword SSJ Trunks was battle damaged, while...
  9. Dagon

    Toyo thinks Gohan was SSJ2

    In the OP are you speaking of your opinion or are there quotes from Toyotaro?
  10. Dagon

    SS4 Gogeeta was the first character to surpass Vegett in GT

    You're on the right track but remember that GT follows the original anime as its canon, which should include all the hax powerups. Base Vegetto is stronger than Buuhan in the anime. With Kid Buu as the strongest Buu, Goku should likely match that power in base along with Uub by the beginning of...
  11. Dagon

    Is Vegeta searching for Goku canon? If not, do you think it fits his character at the time?

    We don't see this in the manga, but it was a fantastic addition to the anime. I wish it was canon. They should have had an arc entirely focused on Vegeta in space rather than Garlic Jr, that way the anime would be a little more consistent.
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    The Future Vegeta SSJ Debacle

    Toyotaro merely drew Vegeta in the future arc in base, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have super Saiyan. It just means in that moment he wasn't using the form. We only get one panel. That's not enough to say he certainly hadn't unlocked it yet. Gohan challenging the androids could be Gohan's...
  13. Dagon

    Freeza Saga Numbers Revisit

    I'm less prone to use it since it's not a Japanese product but I'll look at it.
  14. Dagon

    Is Mr. Boo the same power wise as fat Boo

    In the anime perhaps Mr. Buu is the level of Huge Buu from the moment of the Kid Buu transition.
  15. Dagon

    Freeza Saga Numbers Revisit

    I'll attach my spreadsheet. It's meant to try to make the official numbers work as much as possible.
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    Gero’s Eye Lasers

    I think 20 was not intentionally trying to hit them but wanted to hit the city to eliminate bystanders. He was going to fire straight ahead regardless. Goku and Tenshinhan were simply near the eye beams' path.
  17. Dagon

    Kaioshin Saga Narrative

    Your implied point is frankly ridiculous. The meaning is that any god that had the opportunity to try, did try, and failed. Before anyone says "they don't say all kaioshin tried", the Z-Sword did not exist through all time, so it would be impossible for all kaioshin to try, and thus it would be...
  18. Dagon

    Do you think Burta/Burter was as fast as Ginyu?

    Maybe. Better than the other arguments. Although Ginyu couldn't even use Goku's full power at first. If Ginyu had access to 23,000 and that's still faster than full power Ginyu, it comes across as really odd. I think it's bad writing. Could reconcile it as Ginyu speaking about its proportional...
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    Do you think Burta/Burter was as fast as Ginyu?

    Ginyu is not using his full power there. When Jeice uses his scouter to detect Goku at 160k, he says Captain Ginyu "tops out at 120,000", which means Ginyu was not using his full power yet, or else he would already be "topped out." Ginyu starts at a lower level, enough that it would be able to...
  20. Dagon

    The Super Kamehameha Multiplier increased between the Saiyan Arc and the Android Arc?

    We aren't given an exact level for initial Gingertown Cell, so he could possibly be weak enough that Piccolo is stronger than his Kamehameha. in my opinion Gingertown Cell is near Vegeta's level, which would make his Kamehameha stronger than Piccolo.

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