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Or we could just assume the Instant Kamehameha wasn't powerful enough to destroy his core. If Cell's own self-destruction won't destroy it, I think it's fair to say the Instant Kamehameha would also fail to destroy it.

It's true. Supposedly Vegeta's hair is gonna look more like Beast Gohan's, even though he and Gotenks have pretty much the exact same hair style. I'm willing to bet Vegeta chooses to forgo its use later because it makes him look ugly in typical Toriyama gag fashion.

Post Z-Sword Gohan is still weaker than Fat Boo. Gohan's boost to his base form comes after the ritual, not before. And wym over 100 times stronger than base Goku? You mean Super Gohan? He's still inferior to Goku with Saiyan Beyond God, and base Gohan has to be very powerful given he's...

Gogeta 4 gets as far as Gogeta Blue, at which point the result is a toss up.

Based on leaked information, yes, Vegeta seems to be getting Super Saiyan 3. No, it won't make much sense, unless Vegeta can only temporarily achieve it. I'm also hearing rumors that he and Goku will attain Super Saiyan 4, but can only do so in the Demon Realm.

Updated it to have the base Saiyans below Freeza's 120 million power level. Before I had Goku equal, but postulated that Freeza's advantages at 100% power would net him the victory, but that was a little too close for comfort IMO, and I had to assume Goku and co. didn't get any stronger between...

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Chaozu has done literally nothing and if Oob didn't buy time to allow the others to restore Super Saiyan 4 Goku's strength, they would have lost. Oob was integral to beating Baby. He's more useful on that basis alone.

There doesn't need to be a mention of it. It's part of what makes Goku the antithesis of Saiyan society.

Yes, that's the speech. There is a lot contained in that exchange. The part that bugs me in regards to nice Saiyans is that Goku is supposed to represent the antithesis of Saiyan society and Vegeta is supposed to represent the best that society had to offer. It's more than just a physical...

Tarble has the same problem Nu Broli has, they're not evil by nature. I take massive issue this new idea that Saiyans aren't inherently violent and self serving. It too undermines the themes of the Saiyan arc. Goku is supposed to be exceptional in spite of his circumstances. Pretty much every...

I have a problem with Tarble and Broli too, so...

Goku was born violent too. It's ultimately irrelevant. Plus, the only other Saiyans with softer hearts being Goku's parents just undermines Goku's own significance even more.

I don't have a problem with Saiyans being capable of change, but Goku is supposed to be an exception to the rule by the Saiyan arc otherwise Vegeta's whole speech is thematically meaningless. Right, but coupling that with the ability to grant the user more strength by sacrificing life, all one...

Again, the problem is the extreme. There is little to no room for input on Goku's part. It just doesn't make sense that Goku would be okay with that. The whole problem is Bardock being softer. It completely undermines the themes of the Saiyan arc for Bardock to be like Goku. That in and of...

Doesn't matter if it's in world or not. Foreshadowing requires intent and Ultra Instinct wasn't intentional. It was slap dash and uses Whis's throw away line as an excuse for its existence. I agree that Ultra Instinct isn't a bad power up, it just doesn't suit Goku as he's sacrificing his own...

Except if you know anything about the creation of Ultra Instinct, Whis's line wasn't foreshadowing anything. The anime staff pestered Toriyama about creating a transformation for the ToP because they wanted the anime to end with a bang. It wasn't planned at all. Again, Ultra Instinct is taking...

I vehemently disagree in regards to SSGSS Berserk. It's pretty much the only form in the whole of modern Dragon Ball that felt actually worked for his character. Overcoming opposition through embracing the man he's become and declaring that passion for fighting and self improvement are what...

All the time I see praise leveled at these forms for their contributions to Goku and Vegeta as characters, but I just don't get it. On the surface, sure, Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego are cool, but they feel like they are fundamentally in opposition to who Goku and Vegeta are as characters, or...

Sure, but I do find it funny how Goku has never actually beaten Vegeta in a fight, yet Vegeta has this complex in spite of this, lol. I know there's context as to why, but it's amusing all the same.