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4x amplification did you just make that up yeah unless its said by Toriyama or any of the other writers of the series about how much that attack was then its a false claim about how much power was used against cell

its not explained how weaker 17 is compared to 16

y your absolutely right

yeah but after namek he's still a saiyan and his strength couldn't have diminished after one year of studying

thank you I guess

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you know your right Infinite zamasu > giant zamasu > mutated zamasu > merged zamasu because once his physical form was destroyed he spread his eternal presence accross the universe merging with it granting him control over everything hell it took zen-oh to erase him out of existence just to...

its justified by his feats

it did

it was a warm up recoome was just playing he said it goku was getting used to his power so yeah at the start he just got his ssj power so when the battle progressed he worked his way up to full power

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Jiren is above infinite zamasu > Giant Zamasu > Mutated Zamasu Base Vegito didn't fight mutated zamasu in the anime Beerus was hoping that power would be enough to deal with jiren he never verbally said it could hurt him and be in mind jiren wasn't using even 1% of his power against the...

Vegito Blue (Anime) is stronger than beerus

yeah developing his current time skip i'll let him having 1000+ years of battle experience go but he's still outmatched in terms of physical might piccolo even said that somehow he's found a way to improved his technique in the middle of battle without any boost to his raw power

Nah in both the manga and anime he's always around SSG level because he couldn't last long without his time skip against SSB

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vegeta would win

Vegeta

h he's not on their level

No I didn't say that