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If you go by a random estimate, I don't care.

That's also another reasoning for simians in which I don't agree with. Aside from Gotenks' hype.

Well, I just don't agree with that. Base/SSJ Gotenks is featless, so the most I can give him is an slightly inferior level in relation to Fat Buu.

With getting stomped by Fat Buu in base, he is 8x stronger than Goku?

Estimated SSJ Gotenks Post = 4.000 SSJ3 Gotenks = 600 Super Buu = 564 SSJ3 Goku = 400 SSJ Gotenks Post = 400 Estimated Base Gotenks = 320 Fat Buu = 320 SSJ Gotenks Pre = 300 SSJ2 Goku = 100 SSJ Goku = 33 Actual Base Gotenks Post = 32 SSJ Gotenks Pre/Post = 29 Base Gotenks Pre = 24 SSJ Trunks Pre...

He still ain't scratching Android 16.

And it also amounts to how strong you believe Piccolo is, which is quite subjective.

Cell said that Trunks' strength is far greater than his. Nothing suggest this.

And he only has Warm up Perfect Cell and Buff Perfect Cell to estimate Cell's depth of capabilities. FP Cell being slightly ahead of FP Goku would include his latest level being greater than of Goku's highest power shown in order to that to be right. I think he has to be 1.4 or slightly more...

@Pyro The Gohan = Goten entry and the Kid Trunks = 18 are the most contradictive entries of the Daizenshuu. Realistically, Goten and Trunks even Post Rosat in base doesn't reach Gohan's rusty level as they are weaker than Piccolo, whom is weaker than Base Gohan.

She is also having fun in the tournament fighting Mighty Mask. I don't see that much difference in between her Android arc self and her Buu saga self. 18 has the tendency to let her opponents keep up with her (like Vegeta, Mighty Mask or Krillin in Super) just to at the end, prove to be...

How come Vegeta was able to withstand on his feet for too many time and why she and 17 let them all (Trunks, Piccolo and Tenshinhan) escape? As well as bring time to give Krillin the senzu?

As for the Daizenshuu, I don't think that's evidence good enough to say that 18 wasn't holding back or to make definitive the claim of them being equals. SSJ3 Goku is said to be capable of figthing evenly with Fat Buu despite of having held back against him. Everyone can think what they wants...

For me is more a possibility than a fact, however, I am not of the opinion that 18 was holding back, but it doesn't exist actual evidence for either side. They only traded blows for a little while and then she had no trouble broking their defenses and throwing him into the floor, which lefts...

I think something like this can work: *G3 Trunks (before showing his true powers) and warm up Goku give to warm up Perfect Cell almost the same fight G3 Trunks (initial) = 90 Warm up Goku = 90 Warm up Perfect Cell = 100 *Cell is said in Karin's prediction that Cell is a little bit ahead of...

Vegeta would still lose against Warm up Perfect Cell, so he is also outclassed by 50% Goku. I have SSJ2 3x above SSJ by the way.

Only thing they told him is that Gohan wants to be as strong as him and Bulma told him that he is strong and about his enthusiasm. That is pretty short to measure someone strength On top of it, the rumours turned out to be greater than it was told to him by Trunks himself. Strong enough to...

It can be possible, but it can also be due to the fact that Piccolo has proved to be able to do something on his own in Vegeta's eyes, Vegeta had the bad contrast in relation to the kids that he thinks they can only fight by themselves using Fusion.

Same reason as to why Future Trunks knows at some exent how strong Goku was despite of having being killed since he was a baby. On top of Kid Trunks being aware of the fact that Goku was once the strongest in the universe by Goten which is a clear reference to the Frieza Saga. That's also a...

Well, Frieza could do the same technique on Namek, or at least something similar.