ahill1's DBZ final power levels

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Dunno if it was amplified, seemed pretty generic to me. Goku was also somewhat confident in managing something alongside with Piccolo in a hand to hand combat, so I'd say Raditz's gap over unweighted Goku and Piccolo seems to be smaller than ~60k Goku's gap over the Ginyus, seeing as Butta and Jheese were completely helpless against Goku even fighting together.
 

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Good question to fuck your shit up. Please tell me how strong Kami and Popo are. Muahhahaa
 

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Chapter: 164, P7.1-3
Goku: “Amazin’…Mister Popo, you really are incredible! That’s why I couldn’t beat you!”
Popo: “Heh, well…Mister Popo has learned a whole, whole lot from God. That’s why I’m great.”
Goku: “So this ‘God’ guy is even more amazin’!?”
Popo: “Of course. God is far, far more incredible.”
 

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Maybe the "far more incredible" isn't entirely power dependant and is also referring to things like skills, knowledge and techniques.
 

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Do you really believe that? Or are you trying to justify your numbers?
 

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More or less. I don't think the "far, far more incredible" is ENTIRELY power related, though I'd like to have the gap bigger.
 

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No, it's not entirely power related. Popo talks about how Kami has taught him many things. Popo is able to easily dodge and avoid Goku with no issue. Kami finger flicks him.

Do you think it was the author's intention to show that Kami and Popo are close in strength by these scenes?
 

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Your 60 for Base Roshi is still far, far too high. Please show us your levels for Kami and Piccolo Daimao you pussy.

Show at least least powers for Raditz. Show Gohan's Great Ape power when Piccolo destroys the moon.

How do you explain the humans power being so close to Goku and Piccolo's when they are drastically inferior at the 23rd Budokai? Did they gain massive power and Goku and Piccolo did not?
 

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Nah, the scouter numbers are really off. I only do make a separate list for DB part 1 and part 2. Let's make Roshi 60 and work from there:

Roshi 60
Tenshinhan (22nd Budokai) 70
Son Goku (22nd Budokai) 72
Piccolo Daimao (less than half) 144
~100% 360
Yamcha (23rd Budokai) 480
Kuririn (23rd Budokai) 500
Piccolo Daimao Young 540
Tenshinhan (23rd Budokai) 630
Unweighted Goku (vs ten) 900
~Ten's estimations 1,350
Kami/Piccolo Jr. warming up 2,000
Goku/Piccolo (Kami's estimations) 2,500
Goku/Piccolo (true power) 3,000


So even 60 wouldn't do it if we follow the scouter numbers. Roshi would have to be more at 20 for it to work, and yet Goku and Piccolo would have to be much stronger. Yamcha being at 85% of Kuririn and Kuririn being at 82% of Tenshinhan also looks bad. Both Yamcha and Kuririn should be around 75% of Tenshinhan IMO.
 

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I also do agree with you now that Kuririn was probably referring to a hypothetical Full Power Roshi when he said Jackie Chun was overwhelmingly superior, the same way Kami-sama was referring to Piccolo Junior's reserves after saying he was severely outclassed. So maybe Roshi showed Kuririn's estimations for his full power when finishing off the bald guy?


The Oozaru hadn't been introduced via a multiplier at the moment Gohan turned into one, rather Raditz described it as a "manifestation of a Saiyan's true power". So I think it manifesting itself as Gohan's angry power (~1,300) works rather well. We see it obviously wasn't multiplying Gohan's normal power by 10, otherwise Oozaru Gohan would be less than 20 seeing as Gohan's normal was 1. Unless Gohan was afraid there like in the spaceship and was 710, making his Oozaru self at 7,100... dunno, I go with the first. The Oozaru seems to have a different effect on Gohan's power (perhaps due to him being a half-Saiyan?), in which Gohan seemingly doesn't have his normal power multiplied by 10. At Vegeta Saga, Oozaru Gohan was also much stronger than weakened Vegeta, while his normal self didn't even have enough power to move. The same in movie 3 (non canon, but fuck it), in which Oozaru Gohan seems weaker than Turles, whose power shouldn't be too far ahead 30,000 while Gohan's power base was 10,000, which would make his Oozaru self like 100,000 in the conventional way. Maybe it just unlocks Gohan's current hidden powers, whereas in a 100% Saiyan it manifests through a 10x multiplier?
 

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Finally you come around, I've been telling you about the Roshi/Krillen thing, you doubt your God?

Goku/Piccolo 800
Kami 100
Roshi 1

That's how big I have the gap, it should be that large too.

I'll get to Gohan's power next time.
 

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Kami at 12% of Piccolo/Goku? I think that's a bit too much but I can't prove you wrong. Goku with all his limbs broken could apparently be more effective than Kami.
 

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That's for Raditz Saga levels. At the 23rd I had them at 300.
 

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Oh I see.

Something I noticed. Even with a hole through his chest and with his four limbs incapacitated, Goku seemed to have more power than Tenshinhan (after battling Drum and flying one more time). Tenshinhan spent all of his energy after the Bukujutsu, so he couldn't fly anymore. Goku, on the other hand, had still enough power to use the Bukujutsu and launch an attack on Piccolo.
 

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Yes, although Goku is incapacitated, I think his power is still on par with Piccolo. Goku and Piccolo should be above everyone still as crazy as that seems to have a more or less paralyzed Goku above the group, it's true.
 

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p123 said:
Yes, although Goku is incapacitated, I think his power is still on par with Piccolo. Goku and Piccolo should be above everyone still as crazy as that seems to have a more or less paralyzed Goku above the group, it's true.

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Half-dead Piccolo > Ten, Krillin and Yamcha, I still don't understand it.

Funny how Ten offers his help against a Piccolo who is nowhere near a weakened as the one above.

Kami also blocks a punch from a stronger Piccolo.

:troll
 

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More than Half dead Piccolo > Kami + Humans

Tien offers help before the reader is told that his help would mean nothing.

Kami blocking that punch is indeed not the best situation.
 

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I'm not disagreeing with you about More than Half dead Piccolo > Kami + Humans.

I'm just pointing out how silly it is to me, the reader.
 

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Well, why? I think we have held false beliefs on how the powers have stood against each other. Piccolo was a mega villain, we just had no idea how much stronger he was than everyone.

It's not so bad, except for Kami blocking the punch. Limbless Goku being stronger than everyone is crazy too, but it's good for climatic cinema.

If the humans can come in and save the day what's the point. Same thing sort of happens with Goku and Cell.
 
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