ahill1's DBZ final power levels
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When a ki blast is vastly inferior, it seems easy. When vastly superior, easy as well. When it becomes difficult is when it gets close to the opponent's power.
I can agree with Cell being stronger than the Light Grenade, but I don't think amplification should be all that high. Goku's Kamehameha should not be 2.22x, that's way too high.
I can agree with Cell being stronger than the Light Grenade, but I don't think amplification should be all that high. Goku's Kamehameha should not be 2.22x, that's way too high.
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I think 50% Goku ~ grade 3 Trunks really does work well. They all expected Cell to have more power than what he showed against Vegeta and Trunks, yet when Goku initially shows his 50% they initially think it could be his full power. Only after the RoSaT Piccolo highly suspects 50% wasn't 100% and Trunks learned from this.
They all think Cell [expected power] >> Cell [vs vegeta]. 50% Goku can possibly be his full power and Goku's power isn't suggested to be massively inferior to Cell, on the other hand they think they are close to some extent. So: Cell [expexted power] >= Goku [50%] >> Cell [vs vegeta].
Since grade 3 is also said to have surpassed Cell by a good margin, then I think 50% & expected Cell being ~ grade 3 makes sense. But with way greater speed, of course.
They all think Cell [expected power] >> Cell [vs vegeta]. 50% Goku can possibly be his full power and Goku's power isn't suggested to be massively inferior to Cell, on the other hand they think they are close to some extent. So: Cell [expexted power] >= Goku [50%] >> Cell [vs vegeta].
Since grade 3 is also said to have surpassed Cell by a good margin, then I think 50% & expected Cell being ~ grade 3 makes sense. But with way greater speed, of course.
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I don't think Grade 3 is enough. Goku states, "There's no telling how strong he could be when it gets down to business." That doesn't sound like a 1.2x boost that Grade 3 is over Cell's base power. This is a time when you are so desperate to make your numbers work, you have lost sight of the bigger goal.
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Agreed. I just think the narrative of the story goes like this.
50% Goku >> All
Is what I saw. Everyone shits their pants at his power. I think the story is intended to showcase Goku as the most powerful without a doubt. That's generally how Dragonball works. Why have them shit their pants and make this big deal if he isn't at least the strongest?
50% Goku >> All
Is what I saw. Everyone shits their pants at his power. I think the story is intended to showcase Goku as the most powerful without a doubt. That's generally how Dragonball works. Why have them shit their pants and make this big deal if he isn't at least the strongest?
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I agree with P here. It definitely isn't one of the surest things but I would bet Toriyama had Goku > Trunks in mind there
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Well the grade 3 power was also showed to be something incredible that surpassed Cell's power. Its only deficience was the speed, that wasn't on par with the chi level output, so if someone showcased that level of power but with speed that matches said power, those reactions would make as sense as if it were >>> grade 3 imo.
As for what you said about "how strong they expected Cell to be when Goku said 'there's no telling...' "... they also expected Cell to be way stronger than their initial estimations when Kamiccolo was told to be useless, right? Yet they were all blown out by 100% Goku, meaning it surpassed all their expectations. What does this mean?
As for what you said about "how strong they expected Cell to be when Goku said 'there's no telling...' "... they also expected Cell to be way stronger than their initial estimations when Kamiccolo was told to be useless, right? Yet they were all blown out by 100% Goku, meaning it surpassed all their expectations. What does this mean?
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I do, but since his battle power is already more or less defined in the manga (a bit above 1,200) then I don't add those. I just make the "different levels breakdown" when said character's BP is entirely speculation so we need it to find an accurate place for him.
