ahill1's DBZ final power levels
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I have Vegeta at 83% of first form Cell, which isn't really an one shot gap imo. Cell noting that Vegeta powered up and that he had to hurry only means Vegeta could hold long enough until Piccolo catches him. He had to make victims in which he had to kill almost instantly, seeing as Piccolo and Tenshinhan were still fast enough to reach the place when Cell was still in there.
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1) Scouter would not pick up on Buff strength. Everyone can more or less do it. This line of logic would skew everything that screams logic and decency.
2) Yajirobe > Chaozu? I think not. Chaozu has been training under Tien's tutelage for 5 years now. Plus, there was not much to suggest that Yajirobe was greatly superior to Chaozu at the 23rd Budokai as well. The chance of Yajirobe training on his own with no threat in sight is slim and none.
3) If Weighted Krillen is ~ 1,500, how do you explain his gain in power on Namek? 6 months of mind training?
4) You need to specify that Great Ape Vegeta was not at full power, if that's what you are rating. Unless you are saying Oozaru is not 10x.
5) Krillen's unweighted boost seems to small.
6) Cui/Vegeta being 90% of Dodoria seems wrong. Dodoria is touted as a fucking beast, no way is Cui rivaling him.
7) Include calculations for Hypothetical Kamiccolo (Namek).
8.) ~final form (initial) : 3,400,000
~final form (speed increase) : 4,100,000
~final form (kicking Vegeta's blast) : 5,500,000
~final form (underestimating Goku) : 3,400,000
~final form (warming up/ vs Goku) : 4,100,000
~final form (warm up over) : 5,500,000
^ This is sloppy.
Final Form ( Initial, Vs Vegeta/Goku ) 3,400,000
~ Warming up (Vs Vegeta/Goku) 4,100,000
~ Max Effort (Vs Vegeta/Goku) 5,500,000
Something like this is better. No need to be redundant. Try to find a way to express the three levels of Freeza in his initial final form power were shown both against Goku and Vegeta. What a great guy I am to come up with that theory as well. (Pats self on back)
I'll do the rest later. Very, very good ahill. Your lists are starting to rival mine now. You are on an elite level and now you can join me on the mountaintop and look down on the fools below. Your level of detail shits on the majority. A+ kid.
2) Yajirobe > Chaozu? I think not. Chaozu has been training under Tien's tutelage for 5 years now. Plus, there was not much to suggest that Yajirobe was greatly superior to Chaozu at the 23rd Budokai as well. The chance of Yajirobe training on his own with no threat in sight is slim and none.
3) If Weighted Krillen is ~ 1,500, how do you explain his gain in power on Namek? 6 months of mind training?
4) You need to specify that Great Ape Vegeta was not at full power, if that's what you are rating. Unless you are saying Oozaru is not 10x.
5) Krillen's unweighted boost seems to small.
6) Cui/Vegeta being 90% of Dodoria seems wrong. Dodoria is touted as a fucking beast, no way is Cui rivaling him.
7) Include calculations for Hypothetical Kamiccolo (Namek).
8.) ~final form (initial) : 3,400,000
~final form (speed increase) : 4,100,000
~final form (kicking Vegeta's blast) : 5,500,000
~final form (underestimating Goku) : 3,400,000
~final form (warming up/ vs Goku) : 4,100,000
~final form (warm up over) : 5,500,000
^ This is sloppy.
Final Form ( Initial, Vs Vegeta/Goku ) 3,400,000
~ Warming up (Vs Vegeta/Goku) 4,100,000
~ Max Effort (Vs Vegeta/Goku) 5,500,000
Something like this is better. No need to be redundant. Try to find a way to express the three levels of Freeza in his initial final form power were shown both against Goku and Vegeta. What a great guy I am to come up with that theory as well. (Pats self on back)
I'll do the rest later. Very, very good ahill. Your lists are starting to rival mine now. You are on an elite level and now you can join me on the mountaintop and look down on the fools below. Your level of detail shits on the majority. A+ kid.
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Oh, I see I used the "139 is for buff Roshi" logic. If you're trying to not completely disregard the scouter numbers, then I think this logic works just fine. The only ones shown to be capable of hiding themselves from the scouters were the Z warriors post Kami training, and the concept of suppressing the chi was introducced more or less by Mr. Popo, who said Goku should be able to calm his mind and let it as calm as the clouds. If a scouter reads Nappa's battle power it would have been around 8000, but as we saw he can drastically change his fighting capabalities when not going all out, not flexing his muscles. I think it's a similar thing with Roshi here, who can't actively suppress, and his buff form is literally him popping up his muscles and using full effort, which can't be quite hiden from a scouter.
Might be the case. There isn't almost anything painting a clear picture of how strong Chaozu and Yajirobe should be, so I just tend to put them at the same level, generally with Yajirobe holding a power advantage due to his initial huge power advantage. Also, Chaozu uses to get way smaller boosts than the rest of the group, seen in the 23rd Budokai and in the androids saga, where Chaozu isn't even qualified for coming to help (not that any of them were qualified, but still). But yeah, I can put Chaozu > Yajirobe under the premisse that he always train, but we have to remember Yajirobe seemed to be a power house (with powers rivaling 22nd Budokai Goku) without serious training, basically living on his own.
Dun get the Kuririn's question, honestly. If I'm understanding it well, then yeah, I give Kuririn a little of a boost from his training while waiting for the spaceship to get ready, plus his image training with Gohan in the spaceship. It also helps to have Tenshinhan not TOO MUCH above the Saibaimens, which we both agree shouldn't have a whooping 1.5x lead over them.
Sure thing with Ozaru Vegeta.
IIRC Kuririn was only wearing a heavy shirt. His boots and wristbands weren't weighted, if I'm not mistaken. According to Goku in the 23rd Budokai, each piece of vestment weights 20kg, then assuming Kuririn was only wearing weighted shirt, his boost would be small compared to Goku and Piccolo's.
I can't get anything better while going with scouter numbers, unless I have Dodoria like at 90% of Vegeta, which doesn't seem right either. I am still not willing to ignore AT's numbers given in the manga, specially when they are somewhat workable.
Sure
I wanted to show I agree with the logic of Freeza [kicking vegeta's blast] = Freeza [without hands].
Might be the case. There isn't almost anything painting a clear picture of how strong Chaozu and Yajirobe should be, so I just tend to put them at the same level, generally with Yajirobe holding a power advantage due to his initial huge power advantage. Also, Chaozu uses to get way smaller boosts than the rest of the group, seen in the 23rd Budokai and in the androids saga, where Chaozu isn't even qualified for coming to help (not that any of them were qualified, but still). But yeah, I can put Chaozu > Yajirobe under the premisse that he always train, but we have to remember Yajirobe seemed to be a power house (with powers rivaling 22nd Budokai Goku) without serious training, basically living on his own.
Dun get the Kuririn's question, honestly. If I'm understanding it well, then yeah, I give Kuririn a little of a boost from his training while waiting for the spaceship to get ready, plus his image training with Gohan in the spaceship. It also helps to have Tenshinhan not TOO MUCH above the Saibaimens, which we both agree shouldn't have a whooping 1.5x lead over them.
Sure thing with Ozaru Vegeta.
IIRC Kuririn was only wearing a heavy shirt. His boots and wristbands weren't weighted, if I'm not mistaken. According to Goku in the 23rd Budokai, each piece of vestment weights 20kg, then assuming Kuririn was only wearing weighted shirt, his boost would be small compared to Goku and Piccolo's.
I can't get anything better while going with scouter numbers, unless I have Dodoria like at 90% of Vegeta, which doesn't seem right either. I am still not willing to ignore AT's numbers given in the manga, specially when they are somewhat workable.
Sure
I wanted to show I agree with the logic of Freeza [kicking vegeta's blast] = Freeza [without hands].
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Good job defending yourself but...
1) Buff Roshi logic is bullshit, but you are doing what you can I get it.
2) Piccolo only wears a stupid ass turban cape, his power skyrockets when he removes his cape.
3) I get it with the Vegeta / Dodoria shit.
Just giving you shit and going hard on you. You passed. You are getting really good ahill. Even though you are a fag sometimes. Haha
1) Buff Roshi logic is bullshit, but you are doing what you can I get it.
2) Piccolo only wears a stupid ass turban cape, his power skyrockets when he removes his cape.
3) I get it with the Vegeta / Dodoria shit.
Just giving you shit and going hard on you. You passed. You are getting really good ahill. Even though you are a fag sometimes. Haha
