Android 19 and 20 pre and post

[SSJ2]

How powerful do you have these guys?

 

[Emmeth]

Roughly speaking

Pre
19: 130,000,000
20: 150,000,000

Post
19: 300,000,000
20: 350,000,000

I dunno, somewhere around there I'd say.

 

[ahill1]

#19 (pre) is not far weaker than SSJ sick Goku (who I feel is at least a tad bit stronger than Yardrat Goku).

The suggestion that Android 19 pre is below Freeza is a complete farce. Simply look at the fight.

19 is getting beat up badly but he is still able to keep up with Goku's movements somewhat. He is not getting all out fucked up. Although #19's durability for being an android is a major factor in terms of damage, it's not as if Goku is showing the kind of superiority that would require a multi-fold gap. Based on this, I'd say #19's pre power is between Mecha saga Trunks and Goku and #20 a bit stronger than that (maybe equal to Yardrat Goku).

#19 post is probably a bit stronger than sick Goku, and #20 post even stronger than 19 post (since Piccolo pondered the possibility of him being one of the real Androids).

Piccolo >> #20 (post) > #19 (post) > sick Goku > Yardrat Goku = #20 (pre) > #19 (pre) >= Mecha saga Trunks IMO.

 

[Six Trails]

Pre: Probably weaker than 1st form Freeza. Gero never expected Goku to grow as strong as he did and he'd have no reason to make himself and #19 excessively stronger than his estimations for Goku, because his past experiments have been shown to disobey him when he makes them too strong.

Post: Probably about 1.33x stronger.

 

[Animelover5487]

Pre: Probably weaker than 1st form Freeza.Gero never expected Goku to grow as strong as he did and he'd have no reason to make himself and #19 excessively stronger than his estimations for Goku, because his past experiments have been shown to disobey him when he makes them too strong.

Post: Probably about 1.33x stronger.

I am pretty sure if they were that weak there would be no question that they weren't the Androids, that Future Trunks warned them about.

 

[Kyo]

19 post, a fair amount stronger than Trunks from 3 years ago. 19 pre, significantly weaker than 19 post.

20 post, significantly but not overwhelmingly stronger than post-Yardrat Goku. 20 pre, maybe around 19 post or less.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I have #19 around Super Saiyan Goku on Namek. After absorbing Goku's energy, above Yardrat Goku.

I have #20 above Super Saiyan Goku on Namek. After absorbing Vegeta's blast and Piccolo's energy, above Yardrat Goku.

Starting to wonder if even that's a bit much.

 

[Emmeth]

Pre: Probably weaker than 1st form Freeza. Gero never expected Goku to grow as strong as he did and he'd have no reason to make himself and #19 excessively stronger than his estimations for Goku, because his past experiments have been shown to disobey him when he makes them too strong.

Post: Probably about 1.33x stronger.

If they were that weak Goku would've destroyed 19 in one punch. Also, 20 seemed not too worried about Goku beating the shit out of 19.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I recall #20 saying if the fight continued the way it did, #19 would run dry before he has a chance to absorb any energy.

 

[Emmeth]

I recall #20 saying if the fight continued the way it did, #19 would run dry before he has a chance to absorb any energy.

Still doesn't indicate a placement of under 530,000.

 

[kriss-]

Android 19 and 20 are likely weaker than Organic Freeza, and a good deal stronger after they absorb the energy of the Z-Fighters.

Android 19
-Pre 90,000,000
-Post 180,000,000

Android 20
-Pre 100,000,000
-Pst 160,000,000

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I recall #20 saying if the fight continued the way it did, #19 would run dry before he has a chance to absorb any energy.

Still doesn't indicate a placement of under 530,000.

I don't think Mike was actually being serious there.

 

[Emmeth]

I recall #20 saying if the fight continued the way it did, #19 would run dry before he has a chance to absorb any energy.

Still doesn't indicate a placement of under 530,000.

I don't think Mike was actually being serious there.

I can never tell with Mike ;p

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I've seen Mike in enough #19/#20 threads to know that there's no way in hell he'd ever have them that weak.

If he did, I'd be convinced this is no longer the real Mike we're talking to. It'd be an impostor.

 

[ahill1]

I have #19 around Super Saiyan Goku on Namek. After absorbing Goku's energy, above Yardrat Goku.

I have #20 above Super Saiyan Goku on Namek. After absorbing Vegeta's blast and Piccolo's energy, above Yardrat Goku.

Starting to wonder if even that's a bit much.

I think you were going with sick Goku (powered up) > 19 (pre) > sick Goku (initial) > Yardrat Goku?

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I did originally, but #20's radar makes me think he isn't fully comprehending Goku's power. He has the same exact reaction to Vegeta after turning Super Saiyan and knocking #19 down. His radar is ass.

 

[ahill1]

I did originally, but #20's radar makes me think he isn't fully comprehending Goku's power. He has the same exact reaction to Vegeta after turning Super Saiyan and knocking #19 down. His radar is ass.

Vegeta could be suppressed too, no?

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I just go with the opinion that his radar sucks. After seeing the full-extent of Vegeta's power, he absorbs Piccolo's energy, and thinks absorbing the same amount of energy again will be enough for him to beat Vegeta. If he accurately gauged Vegeta's power, he would've already knew that was impossible. As we can see, he was horribly wrong. I don't think his radar is accurate.

 

[ahill1]

I just go with the opinion that his radar sucks. After seeing the full-extent of Vegeta's power, he absorbs Piccolo's energy, and thinks absorbing the same amount of energy again will be enough for him to beat Vegeta. If he accurately gauged Vegeta's power, he would've already knew that was impossible. As we can see, he was horribly wrong. I don't think his radar is accurate.

Yeah, that's a good point. I generally use Gero's argument to have 19 (post) > sick Goku.

Gero : “Let’s stop the nonsense at that. Just changing like that naturally won’t make you a match for us androids. Just like Son Goku earlier…”

I think Gero was under the impression that Vegeta would be just as strong as initial Goku because of them both changing like that, and he seemed to believe Vegeta would not be a match for 19 post.

Do you think this can work?

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I actually prefer that explanation. It makes the most sense to me.