Android 19 and 20 pre and post

[SSJ2]

I don't think he did, which is a good point. I think he just went by what he scanned. For example he read Cell's battle power without having any data on Cell. Yes, I think you're right. He seemed to be overly confident in his calculations, which Vegeta even made fun of. He must have relied on those too much.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Good point. He immediately knew Vegeta was way stronger than he was when he fought #18 before he even started fighting Semi-Cell.

Another thing that shows his radar is similar to Chi-sensing is how he goes from thinking Piccolo is Piccolo to believing he's no longer Piccolo when he powered-up to fight #17. When Piccolo merged with Kami, they didn't recognize his Chi at first--and #16 said both merged Piccolo and Cell didn't exist in his data.

 

[ahill1]

One doubt:

When 16 said Super Vegeta is still better than Cell at everything and then Cell tanking Vegeta's kick with ease, everyone assumes 16 was right. So why not Gero in the Goku vs 19 fight? That doesn't make sense to me.

 

[SSJ2]

Cell probably did a silent power up.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

It probably means warming-up Cell is giving off less Chi than Vegeta. Krillin said Cell wasn't really showing much power.

 

[SSJ2]

Damn, EV seems to remember all of the crucial points. Never fails to impress me with remembering little things like that. That shoots down that argument.

 

[ahill1]

It probably means warming-up Cell is giving off less Chi than Vegeta. Krillin said Cell wasn't really showing much power.

Of course Cell is giving off less ki than Vegeta. It still doesn't change the point. 16 readed Cell at a level inferior than Super Vegeta at one momment, and then Cell was able to tank Vegeta's head kick with ease the next... everyone assumes Cell did in fact a silent power up, but why not in the Goku vs 19 fight?

 

[SSJ2]

Because Goku cant suppress. This was established earlier.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Seriously. You're trying way too hard to find holes where they don't exist. Gero's calculations have been shown to be shit literally a few chapters after. Why is it so hard to believe he didn't assess Goku correctly?

 

[ahill1]

I can make Gero's statement about being able to beat Vegeta by absorbing suppressed Piccolo, Gohan, Kuririn and Tenshinhan's energy. But I'm having a hard time to make Gero being able to beat Vegeta absorbing suppressed Piccolo once more.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

There's nothing to make. His calculations were just shitty, which he even admits once the battle is over.

He wasn't even close to Piccolo, so absorbing the suppressed version of Piccolo wouldn't have put him any closer to Vegeta. He was just plain wrong.

 

[Papasmurf]

Yeah, I don't think we can take his shit seriously. It'd be like taking Vegeta's boast that he'll be the one to win the Cell Games seriously despite the contradicting evidence given later.

 

[ahill1]

There's nothing to make. His calculations were just shitty, which he even admits once the battle is over.

He wasn't even close to Piccolo, so absorbing the suppressed version of Piccolo wouldn't have put him any closer to Vegeta. He was just plain wrong.

I can make Gero +suppressed Piccolo, Kuririn, Gohan and Tenshinhan able to beat SSJ Vegeta, or at least close enough, by lowering the SSJ multiplier.

Gero (post all absorptions) 520,000,000
SSJ Vegeta 500,000,000
Piccolo 400,000,000
Gero (post suppressed Piccolo) 340,000,000
Gero (pre Piccolo) 260,000,000
Base Vegeta 100,000,000
Piccolo (suppressed) 80,000,000
Son Gohan 70,000,000
Kuririn 60,000,000
Tenshinhan 50,000,000

 

[Tapion]

Akira Toriyama actually states that Normal SSj's boost is actually 50x in an interview(so yes, it is not only in the guidebooks) so i don't think that we can nerf it until Goku is FPSSj at least.

Also, any Base Saiyan being even close to Freeza in Android Arc? C'mon man you're trying too hard, wa~~ay to make Gero's statements work.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

The others were suppressed, too. Surely Tien and Krillin's suppressed levels would be a lot lower than that.

 

[ahill1]

I think Gero readed their full powers.

 

[SSJ2]

Right, makes a lot of sense. Hey Vegeta, 19 can still handle you with ease even though you're about to stomp him when you fight.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

If you think he could read their full-power, then there's no reason for you to have two different levels for Super Saiyan Goku.

 

[kriss-]

Can someone give me very specific reasons as to why Android 19 and 20 Pre are stronger than Organic Freeza?

 

[kriss-]

Can someone give me very specific reasons as to why Android 19 and 20 Pre are stronger than Organic Freeza?