Base Vegeta (Cell Games) vs Piccolo (Cell Games)

[ahill1]

It’s still canon.

The same RoF which had Toriyama writing that Freeza achieving a battle power of 1,300 would be impressive... or then in the movie had Piccolo fighting a Zarbon tier opponent evenly.

 

[FeatsofPower]

The same RoF which had Toriyama writing that Freeza achieving a battle power of 1,300 would be impressive... or then in the movie had Piccolo fighting a Zarbon tier opponent evenly.

He forgot about Ssj2 in the Buu Sgaa

 

[ahill1]

He has memory issues due to overwork at that time. Being a mangaka ain't no easy job. We should discuss more about the issues of mangakas

 

[FeatsofPower]

He has memory issues due to overwork at that time. Being a mangaka ain't no easy job. We should discuss more about the issues of mangakas

I don't necessarily blame him, he's always been forgetful. His editor is the one who should be to blame. If first time readers can't make out what's going on, editors should step in to make the author be more clear.

 

[ahill1]

I think his editor helped a lot making the story better, tho AT should sometimes think of him as a pain in the ass

 

[Pakl]

I think Vegeta's statement on the plane on the way to the TB was Toriyama's way of showing how Vegeta thinks he is the strongest Saiyan in equal forms. It's possible the rest weren't included in this statement.

 

[FeatsofPower]

I think Vegeta's statement on the plane on the way to the TB was Toriyama's way of showing how Vegeta thinks he is the strongest Saiyan in equal forms. It's possible the rest weren't included in this statement.

That makes no sense though

 

[Pakl]

That makes no sense though

I know. But in the context, they were talking about not going Super Saiyans, so Vegeta is indeed on top of the Saiyans even in base. This seems to be the meaning of this statement.

 

[FeatsofPower]

I know. But in the context, they were talking about not going Super Saiyans, so Vegeta is indeed on top of the Saiyans even in base. This seems to be the meaning of this statement

Sure but Android 18 is roped into the discussion as well since she’s literally 10 feet away from Vegeta at the time.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Vegeta is just talking about his fellow Saiyans, but ignoring 18 and Piccolo shows they’re below his radar.

 

[Classic Adamas]

I must say at page 2 or so of this thread I got terribly confused about what was being argued about but I still found it to be a fascinating read. Everyone here is quite persuasive I think so good job.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Vegeta is just talking about his fellow Saiyans, but ignoring 18 and Piccolo shows they’re below his radar.

Exactly

 

[Classic Adamas]

Do you guys think Gohan values winning over his secret identity?

No.

 

[Classic Adamas]

Yes, because he holds the Golden Warrior identity even more sacred than the Saiyaman one. That's the identity that links him back to the boy who beat Cell and completely blows up the spot that they are all aliens living on this planet and all have super powers completely ruining their own privacy.

No, Gohan wants to beat Kibito by accident like Shen did to Yajirobe. Where he doesn't have to exert himself in a way that reveals that he's using superhuman abilities.

This was my read on it, he doesn't want to expose himself as superhuman.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Super sucks. I don't care.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Ahill might as well disregard the entire Buu Saga if he’s going to rewrite it himself. He’s already discounting canon material why not go further and just do it here too?

 

[Classic Adamas]

I don't see much merit in using Super to argue about stuff from the original manga when Toriyama clearly doesn't remember or care for consistency anyway.

 

[FeatsofPower]

I don't see much merit in using Super to argue about stuff from the original manga when Toriyama clearly doesn't remember or care for consistency anyway.

I don’t see how canon material wouldn’t be relevant? Are you arguing that Super isn’t canon? Or what?

 

[Classic Adamas]

I don’t see how canon material wouldn’t be relevant? Are you arguing that Super isn’t canon? Or what?

Because Super was written decades after the fact and shouldn't even be relevant when discussing the original manga.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Because Super was written decades after the fact and shouldn't even be relevant when discussing the original manga.

Why does time factor in? If George RR Martin finishes his next book decades later then his first one, is it somehow not relevant? How does this make sense to you?