Battle Powers List (Z)

[Six Trails]

That sounds like an excuse if you ask me. Do you really think that if Cell's power rivaled #18, it wouldn't be noteworthy? A detail as significant as that is just left out for no reason at all?

 

[ahill1]

That sounds like an excuse if you ask me. Do you really think that if Cell's power rivaled #18, it wouldn't be noteworthy? A detail as significant as that is just left out for no reason at all?

I agree with you. I also don't think Imperfect Cell rivals #18. I was just pointing out the possibilities.

 

[ahill1]

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Why do you think Future Trunks (Androids saga) is that close to Vegeta (Androids saga)?

 

[SSJ2]

~ full power - 270,000

Seems low considering Nail's confidence.

 

[ahill1]

~ full power - 270,000

Seems low considering Nail's confidence.

Nail was not so confident though. He only said Kamiccolo "might" ba able to beat Freeza.

 

[SSJ2]

~ full power - 270,000

Seems low considering Nail's confidence.

Nail was not so confident though. He only said Kamiccolo "might" ba able to beat Freeza.

I dunno, he was smiling though if I recall correctly not that it matters. Just that he seemed pretty sure that Kamiccolo would win despite never seeing the original.

 

[ahill1]

Here is the quote from Herms:


Chapter: 295 (DBZ 101), P1.4, P2.1-5, P3.1
Nail: “I-I’m astonished…I don’t know what kind of training you’ve done, but you’ve acquired unbelievable power…Still, it’s unfortunate…If you had only returned to the original, single Namekian you were, you might have been able to defeat even Freeza…”

But after that, was made clear that Kamiccolo's power would surpass even Freeza:


Piccolo: “Are you saying that if I merged with God once again, my power would even surpass Freeza!?”
Nail: “Th-that’s right…I was overwhelmingly defeated by Freeza, but I should have a good comprehension of his abilities…[ ] So merge with me…! I’m also the only fighting-type Namekian on this planet…[ ] That’s right…Your power will become many times greater…”


So I think having Piccolo at 270,000 - 300,000 sounds good.

 

[SSJ2]

Does Nail know that the boost is a 2x gain?

 

[ahill1]

Does Nail know that the boost is a 2x gain?

I think he does. He was there when Saichourou implied the boost is 2x.

 

[SSJ2]

True. 540,000 is still borderline. If we follow Piccolo's logic when Goku and Freeza were fighting, Nail should barely even be able to comprehend First Form Freeza's full power. His uncertainty is probably due to this.

 

[ahill1]

True. 540,000 is still borderline. If we follow Piccolo's logic when Goku and Freeza were fighting, Nail should barely even be able to comprehend First Form Freeza's full power. His uncertainty is probably due to this.

Yea, I'd have Piccolo around 300k, thus making Kamiccolo at 600.

Besides this, Piccolo was wearing weighted clothes. Does Nail know he was weighted? Because if he doesn't, so only Piccolo weighted should be at 275~300k. Piccolo w/o weights could be even stronger.

 

[SSJ2]

That's an interesting point. I don't see why Nail would know about the weighted clothing, he has no knowledge of it.

Perhaps:
Weighted Kamiccolo: 540,000
Unweighted: 600,000+

 

[ahill1]

That's an interesting point. I don't see why Nail would know about the weighted clothing, he has no knowledge of it.

Perhaps:
Weighted Kamiccolo: 540,000
Unweighted: 600,000+

Yea, this sounds good. I'd have something like this too.

Piccolo (weighted) 270,000
~w/o weights 324,000 (1.2x boost)

Weighted Kamiccolo 540,000
Unweighted Kamiccolo 648,000

This sounds pretty good. I think having unweighted Kamiccolo at what Vegeta thought that a 2nd form Freeza would be is ok.

 

[SSJ2]

I don't see why not, although Vegeta seemed to think that Freeza's transformation would be similar to Zarbon's which I have as a 1.36x boost.

First Freeza: 530,000
Hypothetical 2nd Freeza: 725,600

Weighted Kamiccolo: 600,000
Unweighted Kamiccolo: 720,000

This requires regular Piccolo to be 360,000, though, which I don't think is too high. It's borderline though.

 

[ahill1]

I have monster Zarbon ~1.3x stronger than handsome Zarbon.

Normal Zarbon 21,600
~ Monster 28,000

Vegeta must be expecting Freeza to get more or less the same boost:

Freeza 530,000
~ 2nd form (Vegeta's mind) ~687,000

Having Kamiccolo (weighted) at 275k is ok, since Nail was not so sure, but as the entire quote implies, Kamiccolo (weighted) is definitely stronger than Freeza 1st form. Having the 1.25x boost for the weighted clothes, and Piccolo (unweighted) would be at ~340,000, making Kamiccolo (unweighted) at 680,000.

 

[Six Trails]

Keep in mind that I believe the boost would be slightly over 2x.

 

[SSJ2]

My last list actually has the boost under 2x.

 

[Six Trails]

Really? You must have Piccolo extremely close to the Super Saiyans if that's the case.

 

[SSJ2]

I had this:

Spoiler

on Goku: 72,500,000
-Super Saiyan: 725,000,000
-sick: 500,000,000

Vegeta: 75,000,000
-Super Saiyan: 750,000,000

Trunks: 70,000,000
-Super Saiyan: 700,000,000

Piccolo: 650,000,000
-suppressed: 65,000,000

Android 19 pre: 375,000,000
Android 19 post: 450,000,000

Android 20 pre: 420,000,000
-post Yamcha: 450,000,000
-post Vegeta's blast: 500,000,000
-post Piccolo: 565,000,000
-plus humans (hypothetical): 725,000,000

Son Gohan: 62,000,000

Krillin: 50,000,000

Tenshunhan: 48,000,000

Yamcha: 30,000,000

Android 18: 937,500,000

Android 17: 1,000,000,000

Kamiccolo: 1,050,000,000
-Weighted: 965,000,000

 

[kriss-]

a.) Wouldn't that make him closer to 1,250 than 1,500 if he was hurt that badly by a battle power of 1,307?
b.) It's even nonetheless.
c.) Okay.
d.) To be fair, Vegeta had to use dirty tactics to get the upper hand.
e.) Will lower Vegeta then.
f.) That's your opinion. I interpret Gohan's usefulness as being his current power, not just his rage.
g.) If his Kienzan is all he is contributing, then he's contributing nothing, as Vegeta has the same technique.
h.) Freeza wasn't nonchalant when actually grappling with Vegeta if I recall correctly.
i.) What are you going on about? A 540 might be able to beat a 530, right? Because's that all Nail says about a hypothetical Kamiccolo, that he might be able to beat Freeza.
j.) I don't follow those official sources.
k.) (Read above.)
l.) You could elaborate more instead of just making a claim without backing it up.
m.) He thinks he probably can and that it's 100% guaranteed with Cold, which to me implies slightly stronger. He could've also expected Goku to be stronger.
n.) How is he too powerful compared to Mecha Freeza? I don't believe there's anything in the manga that places a cap on how high Trunks can be.
o.) I don't even have the gap that big. Also, Goku > Goku (expected) >/>= Trunks.
p.) #18 called Vegeta nothing special and thought he was acting "weak" when he fought her. Not only that, but 1st form Cell "easily" surpasses Vegeta, and that Cell doesn't even rival #18. So I think there is quite a substantial gap between Vegeta and #18.
q.) I think the gap is small enough that Cell can give Vegeta a lip bleed.
r.) If it's subjective then why did you call it out in the first place?
s.) It can, but so can 50%. It's also subjective, there's nothing to say that it's incorrect.
t.) Fair point, though Goku still seemed to have a God status over Vegeta and Trunks. As long as Vegeta is well above 50% Goku, I think the gap is fine.
u.) He wasn't necessarily the only one holding his own, nothing actually says Piccolo was for a fact holding his own.
v.) As long as Kid Gohan is stronger by a noticeable margin (which he is), then all of that can be justified. Besides, Dabra wasn't necessarily compared to Super Perfect Cell.
w.) Proof?
x.) It's not impressive to him. He just thought it would affect Vegeta because he thought Vegeta was a random Earthling who had never been in 10x gravity before.
y.) Because of the dark.

wow!

I'm just going to like... avoid that...