Beerus vs Super-Saiyan 2 Kefla

[Fantastische Hure]

Has Beerus been wanked back-up a bit further, since it's been revealed that Goku can still get higher and that was indeed not the full potential-power of UI?

Who wins?

 

[Papasmurf]

Has Beerus been wanked back-up a bit further, since it's been revealed that Goku can still get higher and that was indeed not the full potential-power of UI?

Who wins?

Goku's UI >> Beerus's UI though. Beerus's precog was stated to be imperfect in the manga while Goku's UI has perfect precog, he just can't use it fully when he hits.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Has Beerus been wanked back-up a bit further, since it's been revealed that Goku can still get higher and that was indeed not the full potential-power of UI?

Who wins?

Goku's UI >> Beerus's UI though. Beerus's precog was stated to be imperfect in the manga while Goku's UI has perfect precog, he just can't use it fully when he hits.

True. Beerus UI is inferior to Goku's but does this also mean his power was inferior to that of initial UI Goku (and Kefla by extension) now? Kefla and Jiren don't have UI, but are still is in that tier of power.

 

[Papasmurf]

Kefla had a hard time even scratching Goku while Jiren could keep up with UI Galu fine (iirc) so I assume Jiren has UI or something close like Beerus

As for the fight, I'd bet on Beerus but in terms of power Kefla could easily be at his level or above.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Kefla had a hard time even scratching Goku while Jiren could keep up with UI Galu fine (iirc) so I assume Jiren has UI or something close like Beerus

As for the fight, I'd bet on Beerus but in terms of power Kefla could easily be at his level or above.

True, but Goku said he was getting the hang of things so it seems he improved as the fight went on. So much so that maybe he was >> his initial-power by the end of it. I mean he was speed-blitzing Kefla.

 

[xenos5]

I think Kefla would win. She seems to pretty much be a rival to UI Goku power-wise but UI Goku's automatic movements give him the clear edge.

Her best bet is the final attack she used that Roshi said would kill UI Goku (a UI Goku who has mastered the form further than episode 110 UI Goku) if it landed. And considering it grazed him and he could barely dodge it, there was just a razor thin difference between his dodging speed and the speed of the attack. It seems like if it was 110 UI Goku/Initial UI Goku who had tried to dodge the laser aura beams he probably would get tagged since he's slower than he is currently.

 

[Future Warrior]

Jiren > Beerus > Current UI Goku > Kefla > Initial UI Goku

 

[Pakl]

Kefla is nowhere near Goku.... She is probably weaker than SSB Goku with maximum kaioken... If she is so strong then SSB Vegetto would stomp Beerus and Jiren

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Kefla is nowhere near Goku.... She is probably weaker than SSB Goku with maximum kaioken... If she is so strong then SSB Vegetto would stomp Beerus and Jiren

Did you watch last episode?

 

[Pocket-God]

Kefla is nowhere near Goku.... She is probably weaker than SSB Goku with maximum kaioken... If she is so strong then SSB Vegetto would stomp Beerus and Jiren

Did you watch last episode?

Don't mind him, Kefla is half female Broly so he has no choice but to downplay her even though it was literally stated that SSJ Kefla was stronger than SSBKx20 Goku and SSJ2 Kefla is stronger than initial UI Goku

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Kefla is nowhere near Goku.... She is probably weaker than SSB Goku with maximum kaioken... If she is so strong then SSB Vegetto would stomp Beerus and Jiren

Did you watch last episode?

Don't mind him, Kefla is half female Broly so he has no choice but to downplay her even though it was literally stated that SSJ Kefla was stronger than SSBKx20 Goku and SSJ2 Kefla is stronger than initial UI Goku

 

[xenos5]

Jiren > Beerus > Current UI Goku > Kefla > Initial UI Goku

What would you put the multiplier for SSJ2 Kefla's energy aura laser barrage considering Roshi said getting hit by even one of them would kill Goku?

I don't think Beerus is far above current UI Goku if at all power-wise so if UI Goku could be killed by that move (and could only barely dodge it even with his automatic reactions, to the point he was grazed) I think it could potentially hit Beerus and kill him or severely damage him.

 

[Keedounan]

Beerus still wins in my opinion. Jiren's full power has been suggested to be as strong as or stronger than Hakaishin level, both by Whis and Toei's website. While UI Goku was strong, it doesn't look he has quite pushed Jiren to his limits. As such, I think Beerus is still stronger than both Kefla and Goku, but the latter is getting closer than ever to catch up, or even surpass him, and Beerus seems to know it, considering his reactions.

 

[Pakl]

Kefla is nowhere near Goku.... She is probably weaker than SSB Goku with maximum kaioken... If she is so strong then SSB Vegetto would stomp Beerus and Jiren

Did you watch last episode?

Don't mind him, Kefla is half female Broly so he has no choice but to downplay her even though it was literally stated that SSJ Kefla was stronger than SSBKx20 Goku and SSJ2 Kefla is stronger than initial UI Goku

Troll harder bro.. SSjin Kefla was weaker than SSjin Blue Goku with Kaioken x2... SSjin 2 Kefla is just 4x SSjin or 2X if you follow official numbers so SSjin 2 Kefla cant be stronger than even Kaioken x10 Goku let alone x20... How is SSjin Kefla stronger than X20 when she had to catch x2 off guard??? SSjin 2 Kefla stronger than Initial UI Goku???? WDF??? Are you stupid???Looks like the one who overrates Kefla because she is half female Broli is you... SSjin Blue Vegetto in the Zamasu arc was comparable to Beerus so how the heck can SSjin 2 Kefla be any threat to Hakaishin level? Let's go settle something.. If you dont answer with a logical answer then you are proven to be a dumb Broli fangirl trolll....

 

[Pakl]

Kefla is nowhere near Goku.... She is probably weaker than SSB Goku with maximum kaioken... If she is so strong then SSB Vegetto would stomp Beerus and Jiren

Did you watch last episode?

I did and Goku was easily beating Kefura.... Her huge ki explosion was the real threat and even then Goku didnot bother much.... If SSB Vegetto in the Black Arc was in par with Beerus (which was only mentioned in the manga) how is SSjin 2 Kefla any threat for even initial UI Goku who is likely hakaishin level if not beyond???

 

[Pocket-God]

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Kefla is nowhere near Goku.... She is probably weaker than SSB Goku with maximum kaioken... If she is so strong then SSB Vegetto would stomp Beerus and Jiren

Did you watch last episode?

I did and Goku was easily beating Kefura.... Her huge ki explosion was the real threat and even then Goku didnot bother much.... If SSB Vegetto in the Black Arc was in par with Beerus (which was only mentioned in the manga) how is SSjin 2 Kefla any threat for even initial UI Goku who is likely hakaishin level if not beyond???

What was stated was stated. You can't just ignore it cause you didn't like it.

She was stated to be maybe even superior to initial UI Goku, so that's that. Goku either got that much stronger than his initial-self or his ultra-instinct helped him tons in the match. You also fail to mention that Kefla even stated that Goku's punches weren't all that great compared to what he was pulling-off when he was dodging here.

 

[Keedounan]

Kefla is nowhere near Goku.... She is probably weaker than SSB Goku with maximum kaioken... If she is so strong then SSB Vegetto would stomp Beerus and Jiren

Did you watch last episode?

I did and Goku was easily beating Kefura.... Her huge ki explosion was the real threat and even then Goku didnot bother much.... If SSB Vegetto in the Black Arc was in par with Beerus (which was only mentioned in the manga) how is SSjin 2 Kefla any threat for even initial UI Goku who is likely hakaishin level if not beyond???

That's :toei's writing level for you. Don't forget that we're talking about the same series that has Trunks' Genkidama, fueled by twenty weaklings and two half-dead base Saiyans' energy, overpower Gattai Zamasu. You know, the guy who could hold his own against Vegetto Blue.
Or Trunks pulling a SSJB-level form out of his ass for that matter.

Kefla > Vegetto (FT) is an undeniable fact, unfortunately for us.

 

[Papasmurf]

Tbf :toei is most likely going to retroactively bump Mutated Zamasu and Vegetto to asinine levels to keep in line with their tens of times multiplier if the matter is ever addressed.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Troll harder bro.. SSjin Kefla was weaker than SSjin Blue Goku with Kaioken x2... SSjin 2 Kefla is just 4x SSjin or 2X if you follow official numbers so SSjin 2 Kefla cant be stronger than even Kaioken x10 Goku let alone x20...

Logically she can't, but Super's devoid of logic and that's how things are. Piccolo outright stated that SS2 Kefla had power possibly beyond Initial UI Goku and Whis stated SSJ Kefla's power was comparable to the Genki-Dama, which was above Kaioken x20 Blue Goku.