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Has Beerus been wanked back-up a bit further, since it's been revealed that Goku can still get higher and that was indeed not the full potential-power of UI?
Who wins?
Who wins?
Fantastische Hure said:Has Beerus been wanked back-up a bit further, since it's been revealed that Goku can still get higher and that was indeed not the full potential-power of UI?
Who wins?
True. Beerus UI is inferior to Goku's but does this also mean his power was inferior to that of initial UI Goku (and Kefla by extension) now? Kefla and Jiren don't have UI, but are still is in that tier of power.Idea of Gaslight said:Fantastische Hure said:Has Beerus been wanked back-up a bit further, since it's been revealed that Goku can still get higher and that was indeed not the full potential-power of UI?
Who wins?
Goku's UI >> Beerus's UI though. Beerus's precog was stated to be imperfect in the manga while Goku's UI has perfect precog, he just can't use it fully when he hits.
True, but Goku said he was getting the hang of things so it seems he improved as the fight went on. So much so that maybe he was >> his initial-power by the end of it. I mean he was speed-blitzing Kefla.Idea of Gaslight said:Kefla had a hard time even scratching Goku while Jiren could keep up with UI Galu fine (iirc) so I assume Jiren has UI or something close like Beerus
As for the fight, I'd bet on Beerus but in terms of power Kefla could easily be at his level or above.
Did you watch last episode?Pakl said:Kefla is nowhere near Goku.... She is probably weaker than SSB Goku with maximum kaioken... If she is so strong then SSB Vegetto would stomp Beerus and Jiren
Fantastische Hure said:Did you watch last episode?Pakl said:Kefla is nowhere near Goku.... She is probably weaker than SSB Goku with maximum kaioken... If she is so strong then SSB Vegetto would stomp Beerus and Jiren
Pocket-God said:Fantastische Hure said:Did you watch last episode?Pakl said:Kefla is nowhere near Goku.... She is probably weaker than SSB Goku with maximum kaioken... If she is so strong then SSB Vegetto would stomp Beerus and Jiren
Don't mind him, Kefla is half female Broly so he has no choice but to downplay her even though it was literally stated that SSJ Kefla was stronger than SSBKx20 Goku and SSJ2 Kefla is stronger than initial UI Goku![]()
Future Warrior said:Jiren > Beerus > Current UI Goku > Kefla > Initial UI Goku
Pocket-God said:Fantastische Hure said:Did you watch last episode?Pakl said:Kefla is nowhere near Goku.... She is probably weaker than SSB Goku with maximum kaioken... If she is so strong then SSB Vegetto would stomp Beerus and Jiren
Don't mind him, Kefla is half female Broly so he has no choice but to downplay her even though it was literally stated that SSJ Kefla was stronger than SSBKx20 Goku and SSJ2 Kefla is stronger than initial UI Goku![]()
Fantastische Hure said:Did you watch last episode?Pakl said:Kefla is nowhere near Goku.... She is probably weaker than SSB Goku with maximum kaioken... If she is so strong then SSB Vegetto would stomp Beerus and Jiren
What was stated was stated. You can't just ignore it cause you didn't like it.Pakl said:Fantastische Hure said:Did you watch last episode?Pakl said:Kefla is nowhere near Goku.... She is probably weaker than SSB Goku with maximum kaioken... If she is so strong then SSB Vegetto would stomp Beerus and Jiren
I did and Goku was easily beating Kefura.... Her huge ki explosion was the real threat and even then Goku didnot bother much.... If SSB Vegetto in the Black Arc was in par with Beerus (which was only mentioned in the manga) how is SSjin 2 Kefla any threat for even initial UI Goku who is likely hakaishin level if not beyond???
Pakl said:Fantastische Hure said:Did you watch last episode?Pakl said:Kefla is nowhere near Goku.... She is probably weaker than SSB Goku with maximum kaioken... If she is so strong then SSB Vegetto would stomp Beerus and Jiren
I did and Goku was easily beating Kefura.... Her huge ki explosion was the real threat and even then Goku didnot bother much.... If SSB Vegetto in the Black Arc was in par with Beerus (which was only mentioned in the manga) how is SSjin 2 Kefla any threat for even initial UI Goku who is likely hakaishin level if not beyond???
Logically she can't, but Super's devoid of logic and that's how things are. Piccolo outright stated that SS2 Kefla had power possibly beyond Initial UI Goku and Whis stated SSJ Kefla's power was comparable to the Genki-Dama, which was above Kaioken x20 Blue Goku.Pakl said:Troll harder bro.. SSjin Kefla was weaker than SSjin Blue Goku with Kaioken x2... SSjin 2 Kefla is just 4x SSjin or 2X if you follow official numbers so SSjin 2 Kefla cant be stronger than even Kaioken x10 Goku let alone x20...