Big ol' Z Sword

[kriss-]

AT is actively working on Super and is doing basic scripts and letting Toei reshape as they see fit. It's considered a continuation of the Boo Saga and not the Manga.

Meanwhile, AT did the entire script and dialogue for fear of it contradicting his previous work. He considers a continuation of the official Manga because of the amount of work he put into it.

That's all that needs to be said.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Hilarious indeed.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Is Super considered his work? Yes

Is it considered a continuation of the Boo saga? Yes

Then it's official.

 

[kriss-]

Is Super considered a continuation of the Japanese Manga? No.

Does he ever state so? No.

Did he state Battle of Gods was? Yes.

Did he work on all the dialogue an script in BoG for fear of it contradicting his old work? Yes.

Does he care if Toei rearranges the script in Super? No.

Does that mean it's not a continuation of the Manga's continuity? Yes

 

[Uchiha]

AT is actively working on Super and is doing basic scripts and letting Toei reshape as they see fit. It's considered a continuation of the Boo Saga and not the Manga.

Meanwhile, AT did the entire script and dialogue for fear of it contradicting his previous work. He considers a continuation of the official Manga because of the amount of work he put into it.

That's all that needs to be said.

He's not doing basic scripts he's doing the entire plot and it's stated to be his own story. They aren't reshaping it you made that up like everything else to fit your viewpoint.

AT said he considers Super to be a part of everything. That's all that needs to be said.

 

[kriss-]

AT is actively working on Super and is doing basic scripts and letting Toei reshape as they see fit. It's considered a continuation of the Boo Saga and not the Manga.

Meanwhile, AT did the entire script and dialogue for fear of it contradicting his previous work. He considers a continuation of the official Manga because of the amount of work he put into it.

That's all that needs to be said.

He's not doing basic scripts he's doing the entire plot and it's stated to be his own story. They aren't reshaping it you made that up like everything else to fit your viewpoint.

AT said he considers Super to be a part of everything. That's all that needs to be said.

Actually, in that full interview its stated that Toei can reshape it as they see fit. He doesn't care as much about consistency regarding Super because he never actually states its a continuation of the Japanese Manga.

But he certainly did when it came to Battle of Gods.

Keep reaching.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

It's a continuation of the Boo saga. Both Battle of Gods and Return of Freeza are sagas that continue after the Boo saga. A continuation of the manga would be something taking place after the End of Z. No matter what you say, it's official.

 

[kriss-]

Toriyama stated Battle of Gods was a continuation of the Majin Boo Saga and a continuation of the Manga's continuation.

Toriyama stated Super is a continuation of the Majin Boo Saga.

See the difference?

Evil Vegeta: It's offical because I want it to be

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Just because the series ended during the Battle of Gods for you doesn't mean everyone else thinks the same.

AT wrote RoF and his script above has the 1.3 million line in it.

Can Freeza beat Goku and Majin Boo with a 1.3 million power?

 

[Uchiha]

AT is actively working on Super and is doing basic scripts and letting Toei reshape as they see fit. It's considered a continuation of the Boo Saga and not the Manga.

Meanwhile, AT did the entire script and dialogue for fear of it contradicting his previous work. He considers a continuation of the official Manga because of the amount of work he put into it.

That's all that needs to be said.

He's not doing basic scripts he's doing the entire plot and it's stated to be his own story. They aren't reshaping it you made that up like everything else to fit your viewpoint.

AT said he considers Super to be a part of everything. That's all that needs to be said.

Actually, in that full interview its stated that Toei can reshape it as they see fit. He doesn't care as much about consistency regarding Super because he never actually states its a continuation of the Japanese Manga.

But he certainly did when it came to Battle of Gods.

Keep reaching.

I'm not the one that's reaching here. Your argument is ridiculously flawed. I honestly can't think of a good argument you've ever made.

He states it's a continuation of everything.

The Boo saga is part of the manga anyway.

 

[kriss-]

He's not doing basic scripts he's doing the entire plot and it's stated to be his own story. They aren't reshaping it you made that up like everything else to fit your viewpoint.

AT said he considers Super to be a part of everything. That's all that needs to be said.

Actually, in that full interview its stated that Toei can reshape it as they see fit. He doesn't care as much about consistency regarding Super because he never actually states its a continuation of the Japanese Manga.

But he certainly did when it came to Battle of Gods.

Keep reaching.

I'm not the one that's reaching here. Your argument is ridiculously flawed. I honestly can't think of a good argument you've ever made.

He states it's a continuation of everything.

The Boo saga is part of the manga anyway.

I checked everything in that Twitter post you made and nothing speaks about Toriyama stating that. Because you're so adamant about bringing the actual fucking interview yourself, I had to waste my time and track it down:

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-super-manga-vol-1-tori-toyo-interview-web-version/

Nothing, it says nothing about you're stating.

 

[kriss-]

Just because the series ended during the Battle of Gods for you doesn't mean everyone else thinks the same.

AT wrote RoF and his script above has the 1.3 million line in it.

Can Freeza beat Goku and Majin Boo with a 1.3 million power?

I was checkng for another interview that Uchiha may have been referring to, but I'm 100% sure the one above was the correct one.

Anyways, I came across this:

To all you Akira Toriyama fans holding the screenplay for Dragon Ball Z: Revival of “F” in your hands right now:

It’s really embarrassing to have this called a “screenplay”. It’d probably be more accurate to say it’s just a memo. It’s simply something I idly dashed off for the staff, just to help explain the flow of the story and the dialogue! Never in a million years did I think it would get published. If any of you are trying to become scriptwriters, please don’t use this as an example!!

So now we can take that 'Revival of F' is cannon bullshit off the table.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

What exactly is that supposed to prove? He still wrote the movie as a sequel to Battle of Gods. Your personal canon isn't the standard.

Funny how this all started over something (gravity training) displayed in the very movie you love to pretend is the last bit of canon material to the manga.....

 

[kriss-]

Akira Toriyama wrote everything in Battle of Gods, he didn't for FnF.

FnF can be a sequel to Battle of Gods whilst simultaneously not being considered a continuation of the Manga, because it's never stated to be.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

That doesn't make any sense. The movie was created as a sequel to a movie that was a continuation of the manga. You're really nitpicking for a pretty silly reason at this point. Like I said before, you don't get to decide what's canon and what isn't.

And none of this changes the fact that gravity training is still considered a legit training regimen in Battle of Gods. Your attempt to exclude Super doesn't change that fact.

 

[kriss-]

It makes perfect cents. Toriyama has stated Battle of Gods as a continuation of the Boo Arc and of the Manga's serialization. All he stated was that it was a continuation of the Boo Arc, which can incorporate Battle of Gods, the Manga or the Anime. He made no distinction there, but he did make a distinction between how much effort he put into both.

Akira Toriyama's own admission is all I need to over-ride you. He never, ever states that it's a continuation of the Manga's serialization, not once.

My example of Vegeta Pre-Majin only achieving minimal gains debunks you. Vegeta's feats were previously discredited.

Proving you wrong in two scenarios in one go.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

And RoF is a continuation of Battle of Gods, making it canon. He wrote the movie and the movie is a direct reflection of everything within his script.

You can't disprove anything without numbers. What's Vegeta's power level at the beginning of the Cell Games and what's his power level during the Boo saga? If you have no numbers, then you're in no position to determine how much he gained. AT has Vegeta still utilizing a training regimen that's useless according to your opinion. I'll take the characterization over what you think.

 

[Uchiha]

Actually, in that full interview its stated that Toei can reshape it as they see fit. He doesn't care as much about consistency regarding Super because he never actually states its a continuation of the Japanese Manga.

But he certainly did when it came to Battle of Gods.

Keep reaching.

I'm not the one that's reaching here. Your argument is ridiculously flawed. I honestly can't think of a good argument you've ever made.

He states it's a continuation of everything.

The Boo saga is part of the manga anyway.

I checked everything in that Twitter post you made and nothing speaks about Toriyama stating that. Because you're so adamant about bringing the actual fucking interview yourself, I had to waste my time and track it down:

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-super-manga-vol-1-tori-toyo-interview-web-version/

Nothing, it says nothing about you're stating.

I guess I take reading comprehension for granted?

So far Dragon Ball Super has followed Toriyama-sensei‘s plot, but I think it might be interesting for Toyotarō-sensei to become more involved with the story-writing process from here on out!
Toriyama:
Good idea!! I bet it’ll make it more interesting to include Toyotarō-sensei‘s original ideas.
Toyotarō:
T-That’s so much pressure… (sweat). But I think it’ll be really cool to help Dragon Ball someday reach its final chapter.

Toriyama:
Oh, that’s good! People will go “Wow, Toriyama-sensei planned it all out from the beginning!” and I’ll look really cool (laughs).

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Look at what we have here:

[As with the last movie], I thought up the new story for the next Dragon Ball theatrical movie as though it were a continuation of the manga when it was in serialization. Just the fact that I don’t have to draw anything means I can obsess completely over the smallest bits of dialogue. Well, the truth is that I wasn’t planning on going that far, since it’s pretty exhausting at my age, but I got a little carried away.

This time will of course be a continuation of the previous Battle of Gods, but I’ve deliberately increased the amount of action scenes by a good deal. With regards to the contents, they told me, “Keep it a secret!” like they’re all high-and-mighty, so I can’t touch on it yet, but it should be super-duper interesting!

Hold dat L.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Tosh, your effort to give RPG stats to characters (muscles, speed, ki etc) overcomplicates stuff. Giving one single number to each character
is already hard enough.