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Evil Vegeta said:
Look at what we have here:

[As with the last movie], I thought up the new story for the next Dragon Ball theatrical movie as though it were a continuation of the manga when it was in serialization. Just the fact that I don’t have to draw anything means I can obsess completely over the smallest bits of dialogue. Well, the truth is that I wasn’t planning on going that far, since it’s pretty exhausting at my age, but I got a little carried away.

This time will of course be a continuation of the previous Battle of Gods, but I’ve deliberately increased the amount of action scenes by a good deal. With regards to the contents, they told me, “Keep it a secret!” like they’re all high-and-mighty, so I can’t touch on it yet, but it should be super-duper interesting!

Hold dat L.
He states as 'though it were a continuation', that means he's pretending as if it was, not that it necessarily is. Nor does he state that it takes place in official Dragonball history, which is neither a side-story or a spin-off, which he did for Battle of Gods and failed to do with FnF.

In addition, he only made a small script and sent it off to Toei. Whom are free to alter things as they see fit, like they are with Super.

So he still hasn't stated anything that tells us that Fukkatsu no F takes place within the Manga's timeline.
 

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I'm not the one that's reaching here. Your argument is ridiculously flawed. I honestly can't think of a good argument you've ever made.

He states it's a continuation of everything.

The Boo saga is part of the manga anyway.
I checked everything in that Twitter post you made and nothing speaks about Toriyama stating that. Because you're so adamant about bringing the actual fucking interview yourself, I had to waste my time and track it down:

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-super-manga-vol-1-tori-toyo-interview-web-version/

Nothing, it says nothing about you're stating.
I guess I take reading comprehension for granted?

So far Dragon Ball Super has followed Toriyama-sensei‘s plot, but I think it might be interesting for Toyotarō-sensei to become more involved with the story-writing process from here on out!
Toriyama:
Good idea!! I bet it’ll make it more interesting to include Toyotarō-sensei‘s original ideas.
Toyotarō:
T-That’s so much pressure… (sweat). But I think it’ll be really cool to help Dragon Ball someday reach its final chapter.

Toriyama:
Oh, that’s good! People will go “Wow, Toriyama-sensei planned it all out from the beginning!” and I’ll look really cool (laughs).
We've covered this.

Akira Toriyama makes a small shitty script and sends it off to Toei, whom are free to edit completely, in any way they see fit. Like the Manga artist is free to do with the Dragonball Super Anime, because Akira thinks it's better that way.

That does not in any way imply, or suggest, that it takes place in Dragonballs official history, nor does it imply that he's heavily involved at all.
 

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Except he used the same wording when describing Battle of Gods:

Apparently, it’s been 17 years since the last animated Dragon Ball movie! For all the animation up to now, I’ve basically just left everything up [to the staff], so this is my first try at being involved starting from the story’s creation. The key words this time, “God of Destruction Beerus” and “Super Saiyan God”, were suggestions from the scriptwriter, but they were good ideas for presenting a crisis for the main characters, who had grown so strong that they’d reached a point where there was nothing higher. After first deciding on Beerus’s character design and background, I tried thinking up an original story, imagining it as though [the manga’s] serialization had continued. What’s more, the God of Destruction Beerus, who I drew the design for myself (something I don’t usually do), is a terrifying opponent so overwhelmingly strong that he surpasses the dimension of the previous enemies. But it’s my trademark to not let things get too dark. At the very least, I’m satisfied that it’s been finished up as a very entertaining piece of work.

By the way, the battle scenes in the second half are particularly overwhelming! I was moved because the presentation exceeded my expectations. Just as you’d expect, Japan’s animation is superb! Everyone on the staff, you really did a great job!! Well, please enjoy the first Dragon Ball in a long time!

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/battle-of-gods-promotional-pamphlet-2-akira-toriyama/

No amount of nitpicking and trying to alter the meaning of statements will change the fact that you're wrong. Oh, and in the previous post, he clearly said the movie was a continuation to Battle of Gods.

Hold dat L.
 

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Akira Toriyama specially mentioned that Battle of Gods takes place in Dragonball's official history. He never says the same with Fukkatsu no F, so by that notion, it doesn't take place within Dragonball's official history (the Manga), but it is intended as a non-canon sequel to Battle of Gods; in the same sense that Super is. But nothing affirms that either FnF or Super take place in Dragonball's continuity. They are as cannon toward the original Manga as Dragonball GT is.
 

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You're trying way too hard.

FnF is a movie he wrote as a continuation to BoG. If you read above, he said FnF was being written as if it was a continuation of the manga. Seriously, just stop trying to make excuses over something as silly as this.
 

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I guess I'll edit this and post a more thought out response :3

By Akira Toriyama's admission of writing every piece of dialogue for Battle of Gods and not for Fukkatsu no F, tells me that he was worried about consistency and about whether anything in the material would contradict the official source, the Japanese Manga. Therefore he cared a-lot about consistency for Battle of Gods and not Fukkatsu no F; hence why he wrote down a quick script and threw it to Toei, with the full expectations that it wouldn't go anywhere.

In addition to his care of consistency, Toriyama makes the statement that Battle of Gods takes place in Dragonballs official history, but he doesn't state anything to that degree about Fukkatsu no Fu.

All of this tells me that he intended Battle of Gods as a piece of official Dragonbal history that takes place within the Manga's continuity -due to his care of consistency and an obvious statement that proves as such, but he doesn't necessarily care all too much about Fukkatsu no F being a-part of that same continuity. Therefore it can be looked at as a continuation of Battle of Gods but not intended events that happened within the Manga's continuity; because it's contradicting and it wasn't stated to be.

It's like Dragonball GT, it can be apart of their head cannon if one wishes it to be, as Toriyama has stated, but it's not apart of his own official canon; because he included Battle of Gods in that and not Fukkatsu no F.

That's really how I look at this whole scenario and quite frankly, nothing you say can really convince me. I've analyzed your evidence and have come towards an entirely different conclusion.

Sorry if that offends you and sorry if you think I'm being hard headed, I'm not. I've stated everything above in a comfortable and respectful manner.
 

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Goku did take a moment to ponder if Gohan would be strong enough to face Boo as it was said he got stronger. It only took Goku a moment but It could have meant Gohan did raise his power alot and Goku needed to think for just a second. Honestly, gains are determined by Plot. Goku and Vegeta did not surpass SSJ 2 Gohan from the Cell games all that much. Goku only did cause of SSJ 3. So in reality Gohan could have made an X amount of gain just from swinging the sword around and there does not have to be this grand logic behind it.

I think SSJ 2 Gohan after the Z Sword should probably be above Vegeta and Goku but still not enough to make a difference against Boo.
 

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You said AT never said anything in regards to FnF being written as a story continuing the manga. His interview talking about FnF says otherwise.

Saying it's not apart of canon is the exact opposite of what AT said. According to him, FnF is a continuation of the previous movie. In terms of DB history, that means the movie is after BoG and before EoZ.

You tried to use the "as though it were a continuation" to make it seem as if this makes the story less canon. Same exact wording was used to describe Battle of Gods.

I watched FnF and his entire script was used in the movie. Toei added nothing other than Shisami into the scene where Freeza kills Tagoma. The original script only had him appear when Piccolo fought him. Everything else is intact.

You can think of FnF as some alternate timeline event, but AT's interviews do not reflect such an opinion. That is all.
 

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He thinks being stubborn makes him a good debater, while it's more what makes him bad.
 

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I'm not being stubborn at all, I have established my opinion and see no reason to change it. Being a dick-head about things doesn't make you right either.
 
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