Big ol' Z Sword

[Evil Vegeta]

Except GT is considered a side-story. Super isn't. It's a continuation of Z.

But continue to adhere to the outdated source that has Freeza believing 1.3 million will allow him to defeat Goku...

 

[kriss-]

Super has never been considered a continuation of the Manga's serialization. I have seen every Akira Toriyama interview that exists and he never states this.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

It's a continuation of Z that he's actively working on. I dunno why you keep mentioning the manga.

Can Freeza defeat Goku and Majin Boo if he reached 1.3 million?

 

[kriss-]

Toriyama has never said it's a continuation of the original Manga. He's never said FnF was a continuation of the original Manga. But he did for and only Battle of Gods.

Any contradictions within FnF and Super don't matter in the large picture, because they contradict the official source, the Japanese Manga; and aren't stated to support it in any way.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

The RoF movie is a continuation of BoG. Everything doesn't need to be stated. He wrote the Freeza movie as a sequel to the previous movie.

Can Freeza defeat Goku and Majin Boo at 1.3 million?

 

[kriss-]

Akira Toriyama never said he wrote the dialogue himself. Not once. He also never stated that it's a continuation of the Manga's serialization. Only Battle of Gods.

If you feel this is incorrect, please show myself and the community, the interview where Akira Toriyama considers FnF and Super to be continuations of the Manga's serialization.

We would all like to see it, because as far as I know, it doesn't exist.

 

[Future Warrior]

Super has never been considered a continuation of the Manga's serialization. I have seen every Akira Toriyama interview that exists and he never states this.

Wait a minute, weren't you ranting in a thread on how when someone holds Super as a separate continuity is factually wrong?

http://www.dbzeta.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5361

You say that Super is not a continuation and your allowed to make your own personal canon. But yet this is the exact quote you say in this thread

Tosh - ''Aside from this, one can definitely paint a fine line between their personal canon and the actual canon, but there is a serious problem when one holds their personal canon to a higher degree then Akira Toriyama's or says that the Manga takes place in a separate continuity then Dragonball Super''

 

[Uchiha]

If you read the full Super interview, he implies that Super is a continuation of the movies, and that AT is writing the plot himself. Not only that but he also implies that it's part of the manga all along. You can read it here: https://twitter.com/herms98/status/716874024068849664

I reject BoG and Super for different reasons (ie AT is senile), but if you accept AT's newer work being canon, you'd have to accept Super too.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

AT said he wrote the movie. That means he wrote it. The Freeza movie is written as a continuation of Battle of Gods because it cites things from the previous movie. Your denial is so hilarious right now.

 

[kriss-]

Akira Toriyama wrote the film script, he didn't write the script and the dialogue like he did with Battle of Gods. The burden of proof lies on you.

 

[Uchiha]

He's writing the plot and considers Super a continuation of the movies. I posted the proof above already.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

The film script has the same line:

Thanks to the defensive shields, things somehow return to normal inside the ship. Sorbet and the others are stiff with fear.
Freeza: “It seems the Freeza Army has lost its fighting spirit in my absence. This is supposed to be the greatest army in the universe. How do you plan on carrying out business when you’re afraid of a few measly Saiyans?”
Sorbet: “B-But…That Saiyan named ‘Son Goku’…he’s gone on to become…”
Freeza: “What? He’s become more powerful?”
Sorbet: “…Yes, though it pains me to say so…”
Freeza: “Hohohoh…I assumed as much. But then all I have to do is become even stronger than him.”
Sorbet: “…He’s even defeated Majin Boo…Though we have no further data…”
Freeza: “Majin Boo…Papa told me that the God of Destruction Beerus and Majin Boo were the only people I should never lay a hand on. Is that the Majin Boo you mean?”
Sorbet: “Y-Yes…”
Freeza: “This is more than I expected…But that’s what makes it so interesting, isn’t it?”
Sorbet: “Interesting…?”
Freeza: “I’m a natural prodigy, so I’ve never trained, not even once. I’ve simply never needed to.”
Sorbet: “Yes…”
Freeza: “So I wonder what will happen…if I draw out my full potential through training…”
Sorbet: “Y-You can…become even stronger?...”
Freeza: “Is that so surprising? In my estimation, if I train hard for 4 months then…I should acquire a battle power of 1.30 million…”

You're just plain wrong here.

 

[kriss-]

Super has never been considered a continuation of the Manga's serialization. I have seen every Akira Toriyama interview that exists and he never states this.

Wait a minute, weren't you ranting in a thread on how when someone holds Super as a separate continuity is factually wrong?

http://www.dbzeta.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5361

You say that Super is not a continuation and your allowed to make your own personal canon. But yet this is the exact quote you say in this thread

Tosh - ''Aside from this, one can definitely paint a fine line between their personal canon and the actual canon, but there is a serious problem when one holds their personal canon to a higher degree then Akira Toriyama's or says that the Manga takes place in a separate continuity then Dragonball Super''

Opinions change and that was before I realized that there was actually no evidence that suggested Super was a continuation of the Manga.

He's writing the plot and considers Super a continuation of the movies. I posted the proof above already.

That interview has nothing to with Super being considered a continuation of the Manga. All Toriyama did for FnF & Super and GT was make a script and shoot it off to Toei, like he did for BoG.

The only reason he did all the dialogue for Battle of Gods, and not Super, GT or FnF; was because he knew that there were things only the original author would know, hence why he considered it a continuation of his Manga but says nothing of Super and/or GT, FNF .

I read what you posted on the Link and it says nothing of you claim it says. If you feel it does, copy and post it here for everybody to read.

 

[Uchiha]

I can't copy paste it but if you go to the last slide in the last few sentences you can see how he considers it a continuation of the manga, and where he says he didn't want to write himself into a corner with Beerus and Whis you can see where he considers it a continuation of the movie. He also says he wrote the plot, so there's not much more you can ask for beyond that.

 

[kriss-]

In the link you provided, there is nothing that says it's a reflection of the Manga. But I found the full interview on Kanzenshuu, and:

If you pay attention to the interview, all he says is that it's a continuation of the Majin Boo story arc, not the Manga. Battle of Gods is considered a continuation of the official Manga's continuity, and the Majin Boo Arc. There is a clear distinction here. His involvement with Super is as much as his involvement with GT, which is why he doesn't consider either to be reflections of the Manga.

 

[Uchiha]

In the link you provided, there is nothing that says it's a reflection of the Manga. But I found the full interview on Kanzenshuu, and:

If you pay attention to the interview, all he says is that it's a continuation of the Majin Boo story arc, not the Manga. Battle of Gods is considered a continuation of the official Manga's continuity, and the Majin Boo Arc. There is a clear distinction here. His involvement with Super is as much as his involvement with GT, which is why he doesn't consider either to be reflections of the Manga.

It's literally called AT's plot it the interview. Are you really dense enough to think that the Boo arc isn't part of the manga? Or is this you considering yourself a good debater.

Your argument is invalid and something you'd think up on the 2nd grader's debate team for autistic and slow developing children, but he says "planned everything from the beginning". Keyword is everything not just Boo arc.

 

[kriss-]

In the link you provided, there is nothing that says it's a reflection of the Manga. But I found the full interview on Kanzenshuu, and:

If you pay attention to the interview, all he says is that it's a continuation of the Majin Boo story arc, not the Manga. Battle of Gods is considered a continuation of the official Manga's continuity, and the Majin Boo Arc. There is a clear distinction here. His involvement with Super is as much as his involvement with GT, which is why he doesn't consider either to be reflections of the Manga.

It's literally called AT's plot it the interview. Are you really dense enough to think that the Boo arc isn't part of the manga? Or is this you considering yourself a good debater.

Your argument is invalid and something you'd think up on the 2nd grader's debate team for autistic and slow developing children, but he says "planned everything from the beginning". Keyword is everything not just Boo arc.

http://www.dragonballinsider.com/2015/10/30/dragon-ball-super-need-to-knows-commonly-asked-questions/

Akira Toriyama is heavily involved in writing the story of Dragon Ball Super. He does not write the script or draw the manga, but he writes the overall scenario and develops the basic story

Idiot

 

[Uchiha]

In the link you provided, there is nothing that says it's a reflection of the Manga. But I found the full interview on Kanzenshuu, and:

If you pay attention to the interview, all he says is that it's a continuation of the Majin Boo story arc, not the Manga. Battle of Gods is considered a continuation of the official Manga's continuity, and the Majin Boo Arc. There is a clear distinction here. His involvement with Super is as much as his involvement with GT, which is why he doesn't consider either to be reflections of the Manga.

It's literally called AT's plot it the interview. Are you really dense enough to think that the Boo arc isn't part of the manga? Or is this you considering yourself a good debater.

Your argument is invalid and something you'd think up on the 2nd grader's debate team for autistic and slow developing children, but he says "planned everything from the beginning". Keyword is everything not just Boo arc.

http://www.dragonballinsider.com/2015/10/30/dragon-ball-super-need-to-knows-commonly-asked-questions/

Akira Toriyama is heavily involved in writing the story of Dragon Ball Super. He does not write the script or draw the manga, but he writes the overall scenario and develops the basic story

Idiot

And? I never claimed he wrote the script. I literally said he wrote the plot above. The story is more important than the script anyway. The script isn't some type of bar to make something canon or not either. Finding a difference between BoG and Super and making that the bar for canon is ridiculous.

 

[kriss-]

The dialogue is whats most important important because Toriyama wrote the BoG script on purpose for fear of it contradicting his Manga work, a film of which he considered a continuation of his previous work.

Meanwhile in Super and FnF, all he does is a basic outline and shoots it off to Toei. By your own admission, GT is canon as well.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

So AT is actively working on Super and it's a continuation of the Boo saga.

What more needs to be said?