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I've been around DBZ forums in general for a while and I'll just be blunt about this: I've seen some stuff. One thing I've been seeing since 2009/2010 (or whenever MFG closed down) was people saying Piccolo in the Boo era had progressed enough to be on par with Cell Games Goku/Dabra. This has me baffled. I keep seeing this in every forum I visit, but I have no idea how or why people come to this conclusion. By the way, not to be offensive or anything since that's not my intention for this topic, but it's normally people supporting Piccolo being stronger than East Kaioshin who say this.
Call me biased, but I simply cannot see how Piccolo, who was below SSj Vegeta at the Cell Games, could suddenly rise far above that and reach Cell Games Goku's level, or even Dabra. Goku had to have been a good 2x as strong at the very least, and from what we saw of power progression over those 7 years from the main characters, it wasn't very much. Vegeta barely surpassed Kid Gohan, if at all, and apparently neither did Goku, although that's a bit contradictory (see below).
Now, if Vegeta barely increased his power by 2x and Goku barely increased by less than that, how could Piccolo increase even more than that with inferior training?
So about that contradiction. :rofl: Well, when we first meet Vegeta during the Boo era he's confident in defeating Gohan at the tournament, despite not knowing the extent of Gohan's weakness from 7 years of not training. This puts him at least in the realm of Kid Gohan's level. Later on, when Goku turns Super Saiyan 2 in front of Vegeta right before their fight begins, Vegeta states that he "expected" Goku to surpass Gohan. That line can be interpreted differently, but to me, it's a pretty straight-forward way of saying that he knew Goku would surpass Gohan's strength and then some, so it wasn't a surprise when he did. Even later on after that, when Vegeta appears to fight Fat Boo, Piccolo states that "perhaps" his power is greater than Gohan's was from the Cell Games. There's where the contradiction comes in. How can SSj2 Majin Vegeta/SSj2 Goku only be "perhaps" stronger than Kid Gohan when it was clear that they definitely were? Piccolo's word contradicts both Vegeta's and Goku's word.
A member here named Lunar2 (who's busy with important issues at the moment so I don't think he'll be commenting anytime soon) created a good theory that explained how Piccolo couldn't sense the difference in battle powers if it was less than about 16% (Base Goku vs ~3% Freeza), but could when the difference was at least 2x (Kaio-ken x10 Goku vs 50% Freeza). This gives us a good foundation for SSj2 Majin Vegeta and SSj2 Goku's power in comparison to SSj2 Kid Gohan's without contradicting Piccolo's word. They need to be more than 16% stronger than Gohan, but less than 2x. That fits in well with Vegeta's comment about the difference between him and Goku at the Cell Games not changing over the years, and that difference was roughly 40-50%. All in all, it works.
Anyway, back to Piccolo. Using the information from above, we can come up with a chart like the one below, where we can gauge the progression of Goku and Vegeta over the 7 years and use that to help figure out how Piccolo could have done something so miraculous.
Cell Games
Piccolo: ?
MSSj Goku [50%]: 50
SSj Vegeta: 65
MSSj Goku [100%]: 100
MSSj Kid Gohan: 130
Boo Arc
MSSj Teen Gohan: 110
MSSj Vegeta: ~130
MSSj Goku: 195
Using this, Vegeta progressed exactly 2x, while Goku 1.95x, so almost 2x as well. Taking those progressions and applying them to Piccolo, we come up with, well, nothing, since we don't know exactly how powerful Piccolo was compared to the others after he'd used the RoSaT. Still, some insist he advanced enough to be near MSSj/SSj2 Teen Gohan and Dabra's level. But how can this be when he was weaker than East Kaioshin, who was no match for Dabra, who fought evenly with MSSj/SSj2 Teen Gohan?
Dabra: 110/220
East Kaioshin: 80 (at the very most)
Piccolo: 60
Depending on how close to Cell Games SSj Vegeta you had Piccolo before the 7 years of peace, that could either be a significant jump in power, or a very small one. This is all just what I've come up with right now, so if it's got errors, that's probably why. This is just my opinion.
tl;dr: How powerful do you have Piccolo in the Boo arc compared to Gohan, and why do you think that?
Call me biased, but I simply cannot see how Piccolo, who was below SSj Vegeta at the Cell Games, could suddenly rise far above that and reach Cell Games Goku's level, or even Dabra. Goku had to have been a good 2x as strong at the very least, and from what we saw of power progression over those 7 years from the main characters, it wasn't very much. Vegeta barely surpassed Kid Gohan, if at all, and apparently neither did Goku, although that's a bit contradictory (see below).
Now, if Vegeta barely increased his power by 2x and Goku barely increased by less than that, how could Piccolo increase even more than that with inferior training?
So about that contradiction. :rofl: Well, when we first meet Vegeta during the Boo era he's confident in defeating Gohan at the tournament, despite not knowing the extent of Gohan's weakness from 7 years of not training. This puts him at least in the realm of Kid Gohan's level. Later on, when Goku turns Super Saiyan 2 in front of Vegeta right before their fight begins, Vegeta states that he "expected" Goku to surpass Gohan. That line can be interpreted differently, but to me, it's a pretty straight-forward way of saying that he knew Goku would surpass Gohan's strength and then some, so it wasn't a surprise when he did. Even later on after that, when Vegeta appears to fight Fat Boo, Piccolo states that "perhaps" his power is greater than Gohan's was from the Cell Games. There's where the contradiction comes in. How can SSj2 Majin Vegeta/SSj2 Goku only be "perhaps" stronger than Kid Gohan when it was clear that they definitely were? Piccolo's word contradicts both Vegeta's and Goku's word.
A member here named Lunar2 (who's busy with important issues at the moment so I don't think he'll be commenting anytime soon) created a good theory that explained how Piccolo couldn't sense the difference in battle powers if it was less than about 16% (Base Goku vs ~3% Freeza), but could when the difference was at least 2x (Kaio-ken x10 Goku vs 50% Freeza). This gives us a good foundation for SSj2 Majin Vegeta and SSj2 Goku's power in comparison to SSj2 Kid Gohan's without contradicting Piccolo's word. They need to be more than 16% stronger than Gohan, but less than 2x. That fits in well with Vegeta's comment about the difference between him and Goku at the Cell Games not changing over the years, and that difference was roughly 40-50%. All in all, it works.
Anyway, back to Piccolo. Using the information from above, we can come up with a chart like the one below, where we can gauge the progression of Goku and Vegeta over the 7 years and use that to help figure out how Piccolo could have done something so miraculous.
Cell Games
Piccolo: ?
MSSj Goku [50%]: 50
SSj Vegeta: 65
MSSj Goku [100%]: 100
MSSj Kid Gohan: 130
Boo Arc
MSSj Teen Gohan: 110
MSSj Vegeta: ~130
MSSj Goku: 195
Using this, Vegeta progressed exactly 2x, while Goku 1.95x, so almost 2x as well. Taking those progressions and applying them to Piccolo, we come up with, well, nothing, since we don't know exactly how powerful Piccolo was compared to the others after he'd used the RoSaT. Still, some insist he advanced enough to be near MSSj/SSj2 Teen Gohan and Dabra's level. But how can this be when he was weaker than East Kaioshin, who was no match for Dabra, who fought evenly with MSSj/SSj2 Teen Gohan?
Dabra: 110/220
East Kaioshin: 80 (at the very most)
Piccolo: 60
Depending on how close to Cell Games SSj Vegeta you had Piccolo before the 7 years of peace, that could either be a significant jump in power, or a very small one. This is all just what I've come up with right now, so if it's got errors, that's probably why. This is just my opinion.
tl;dr: How powerful do you have Piccolo in the Boo arc compared to Gohan, and why do you think that?
