Boo Arc Piccolo's Strength

[Future Warrior]

@Pyro

Cause nothing contradicts it you fuck. You're crying over a 1.25x boost here. There is no indication that Piccolo was sitting around doing jack over the 7 years. And as you can see, Goten and Trunks can still have be stronger by a wide margin.

You're claiming there isn't evidence yet you don't provide any for you're self.

Now get on your knees and suck on my yuge cock.

I didn't say he didn't get stronger at all.

Yeah, but you're arguing Piccolo can't as strong as the gaps I showed.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Still weaker than Kaioshin.

 

[Pyro]

I didn't say he didn't get stronger at all.

Yeah, but you're arguing Piccolo can't as strong as the gaps I showed.

I don't think so. I'm talking getting to CG Goku tier and above.

 

[Future Warrior]

I didn't say he didn't get stronger at all.

Yeah, but you're arguing Piccolo can't get as strong as the gaps I showed.

I don't think so. I'm talking getting to CG Goku tier and above.

But I don't have him at CG Goku tier .

 

[Pyro]

I wasn't arguing against you.

 

[Future Warrior]

Fuck man, I thought you were replying to me. Sorry. Just forget everything I said

 

[Jerk Store]

Haa!

 

[Victorious]

Well Kamiccolo declining a 2nd RoSaT trip seems to suggest hes close to maxed out in the Cell Games.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

I've been around DBZ forums in general for a while and I'll just be blunt about this: I've seen some stuff. One thing I've been seeing since 2009/2010 (or whenever MFG closed down) was people saying Piccolo in the Boo era had progressed enough to be on par with Cell Games Goku/Dabra. This has me baffled. I keep seeing this in every forum I visit, but I have no idea how or why people come to this conclusion. By the way, not to be offensive or anything since that's not my intention for this topic, but it's normally people supporting Piccolo being stronger than East Kaioshin who say this.

Call me biased, but I simply cannot see how Piccolo, who was below SSj Vegeta at the Cell Games, could suddenly rise far above that and reach Cell Games Goku's level, or even Dabra. Goku had to have been a good 2x as strong at the very least, and from what we saw of power progression over those 7 years from the main characters, it wasn't very much. Vegeta barely surpassed Kid Gohan, if at all, and apparently neither did Goku, although that's a bit contradictory (see below).

Now, if Vegeta barely increased his power by 2x and Goku barely increased by less than that, how could Piccolo increase even more than that with inferior training?

So about that contradiction. :rofl: Well, when we first meet Vegeta during the Boo era he's confident in defeating Gohan at the tournament, despite not knowing the extent of Gohan's weakness from 7 years of not training. This puts him at least in the realm of Kid Gohan's level. Later on, when Goku turns Super Saiyan 2 in front of Vegeta right before their fight begins, Vegeta states that he "expected" Goku to surpass Gohan. That line can be interpreted differently, but to me, it's a pretty straight-forward way of saying that he knew Goku would surpass Gohan's strength and then some, so it wasn't a surprise when he did. Even later on after that, when Vegeta appears to fight Fat Boo, Piccolo states that "perhaps" his power is greater than Gohan's was from the Cell Games. There's where the contradiction comes in. How can SSj2 Majin Vegeta/SSj2 Goku only be "perhaps" stronger than Kid Gohan when it was clear that they definitely were? Piccolo's word contradicts both Vegeta's and Goku's word.

A member here named Lunar2 (who's busy with important issues at the moment so I don't think he'll be commenting anytime soon) created a good theory that explained how Piccolo couldn't sense the difference in battle powers if it was less than about 16% (Base Goku vs ~3% Freeza), but could when the difference was at least 2x (Kaio-ken x10 Goku vs 50% Freeza). This gives us a good foundation for SSj2 Majin Vegeta and SSj2 Goku's power in comparison to SSj2 Kid Gohan's without contradicting Piccolo's word. They need to be more than 16% stronger than Gohan, but less than 2x. That fits in well with Vegeta's comment about the difference between him and Goku at the Cell Games not changing over the years, and that difference was roughly 40-50%. All in all, it works.

Anyway, back to Piccolo. Using the information from above, we can come up with a chart like the one below, where we can gauge the progression of Goku and Vegeta over the 7 years and use that to help figure out how Piccolo could have done something so miraculous.

Cell Games
Piccolo: ?
MSSj Goku [50%]: 50
SSj Vegeta: 65
MSSj Goku [100%]: 100
MSSj Kid Gohan: 130

Boo Arc
MSSj Teen Gohan: 110
MSSj Vegeta: ~130
MSSj Goku: 195

Using this, Vegeta progressed exactly 2x, while Goku 1.95x, so almost 2x as well. Taking those progressions and applying them to Piccolo, we come up with, well, nothing, since we don't know exactly how powerful Piccolo was compared to the others after he'd used the RoSaT. Still, some insist he advanced enough to be near MSSj/SSj2 Teen Gohan and Dabra's level. But how can this be when he was weaker than East Kaioshin, who was no match for Dabra, who fought evenly with MSSj/SSj2 Teen Gohan?

Dabra: 110/220
East Kaioshin: 80 (at the very most)
Piccolo: 60

Depending on how close to Cell Games SSj Vegeta you had Piccolo before the 7 years of peace, that could either be a significant jump in power, or a very small one. This is all just what I've come up with right now, so if it's got errors, that's probably why. This is just my opinion.

tl;dr: How powerful do you have Piccolo in the Boo arc compared to Gohan, and why do you think that?

OP's content (to those who're bored of reading pointlessly long, at the extent of college essay, messages): You can raise Buu Piccolo at
CGs Goku level if you feel like it, just increase Buu Goku as well.

 

[SSJ2]

Not my post faggot.

 

[Void]

What I want to know is what proof is there that Piccolo made a significant jump in power? Huh? Go ahead and tell me. Do it. I'll wait.

No, I won't. There's nothing.

No statement.
No implication.
No outside source support beyond one video game what-if.
No guidebook-given power level.

Fucking nothing at all to support this fantasy some childish ilk have.

There's nothing to support him making any jump in power over the 7 year gap is there? I feel like minimal gains aren't that unreasonable though.

Absolutely NOTHING. Eat dirt, bitch!

How strong do you even have him, boy?

 

[Pyro]

There's nothing to support him making any jump in power over the 7 year gap is there? I feel like minimal gains aren't that unreasonable though.

Absolutely NOTHING. Eat dirt, bitch!

How strong do you even have him, boy?

Marginally stronger than his Cell Games self, which I have around 30% of CG MSSj Goku. So by Boo Saga, he'd be around 40% MSSj Goku, which makes East Kaioshin being around 60% of Goku fair enough because then he's still believably below MSSj Gohan in the same arc.

CG Piccolo - 0.3
BS Piccolo - 0.4
50% CG Goku - 0.5
CG Vegeta - 0.65
Kaioshin - 0.7
BS Gohan - 1.2

 

[SSJ2]

30% SSjin Goku?

 

[Pyro]

30% SSjin Goku?

Piccolo > tired MSSj Goku.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Nothing really wrong with placing him that low. Pickle man was absolutely astonished by 50% MSSJ Goku's Ki when not being aware that was only 50%, as well as being made aware of how he stacked up to Cell beforehand.

 

[SSJ2]

Piccolo stood against the Juniors just like Lord Tenshinhan.

 

[Pyro]

http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8333013&t=8308215

Son.

 

[Six Trails]

So Piccolo just got the nicest Cell Junior out of the group then?

 

[SSJ2]

http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8333013&t=8308215

Son.

Not so much even him standing, it's the title page making him look like a beast. And Cell's Jap quote potentially including him.

 

[Pyro]

All it tells me is that Piccolo is stronger than a weakened Goku. Whether he's comparable to Vegeta and Trunks is inconclusive either way.