Can Boo saga SSJ Goku defeat Full Power Perfect Cell?

[ahill1]

I think Boo saga SSJ Goku could be as competitive to full power Cell as his Cell Games self was to suppressed Cell. That has always sound about right to me.

 

[p123]

Vic and I have always felt there was an extra step there.

Remember, Cell is probably not all that far off from Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan.

 

[Victorious]

Yes I'd say FP PC is about 85% of Teen Gohan. And pre Majin Vegeta should stomp Teen Gohan. Teen Gohan is lazy, weak, and disgustingly pathetic to pre Majin Vegeta.

SSJ2 Kid Gohan : 100
SSJ2 Pre Majin Vegeta : 88
SSJ2 Teen Gohan : 70
FP PC : 60

 

[ahill1]

Well, it really depends on your multiplier for SSJ2. That should settle the whole thing, I think. Besides, since you go with a rage boost on top of ssj2 for Gohan, you shouldn't feel limited as for Boo saga SSJ Goku being barely above SSJ Kid Gohan. If SSJ Goku is already considerably above kid Gohan SSJ, I feel that Goku already approaching (while being still a step or two below) full power Cell is about right.

 

[ahill1]

Yes I'd say FP PC is about 85% of Teen Gohan.

SSJ2 Kid Gohan : 100
SSJ2 Pre Majin Vegeta : 88
SSJ2 Teen Gohan : 70
FP PC : 60

Unrelated, but what about Dabura?

 

[Victorious]

Yes I'd say FP PC is about 85% of Teen Gohan.

SSJ2 Kid Gohan : 100
SSJ2 Pre Majin Vegeta : 88
SSJ2 Teen Gohan : 70
FP PC : 60

Unrelated, but what about Dabura?

He's either ~ SSJ2 Teen Gohan or SSJ Teen Gohan depending on how u interpret that when segment.

 

[p123]

Yep, I agree with that Vic.

Ahill you got it wrong. Your multipliers should compliment your gaps, not the other way around.

Vic, Gohan using a Rage boost as a SSJ2 is really glorious, you should try it for your numbers, so much better. Also you can make the Kaioshins powerful. It's nice. I got South Kaioshin almost rivaling Dabura. Badass.

 

[ahill1]

Yep, I agree with that Vic.

Ahill you got it wrong. Your multipliers should compliment your gaps, not the other way around.

Vic, Gohan using a Rage boost as a SSJ2 is really glorious, you should try it for your numbers, so much better. Also you can make the Kaioshins powerful. It's nice. I got South Kaioshin almost rivaling Dabura. Badass.

I always liked the logic that Cell's power up to full power is a similar power up that Vegeta underwent when using the grade 2... the similarities in their auras and physique can't be denied imo. I think Freeza going from 70% to 100% (who also looks kind of similar to the grade 2 physique), the grade 2 power up and Cell's power up to FP are all similar power ups due to the resemblance in their aura and their physique, as well (mainly related to Freeza and grade 2) due to the pronunciated stamina loss. So, full power Cell is about 1.4x his suppressed self and about 55% (it's what I get one I play out the tanking gaps) of ssj2 Gohan, which would let us with a nice 2.5x multiplier for enraged Gohan.

Goku SSJ (Cell Games) : 85
Cell (suppressed) : 100
Gohan SSJ : 100
Cell (full power) : 140
Gohan SSJ2 : 250

 

[p123]

I go with a 2x boost for Grade 2...

Grade 2 Vegeta > Fake Ki Cell >> Semi Cell FP > Semi Cell Initial ~ SSJ Vegeta

Grade 2 is a monstrous boost. Perfect Cell is able to pretend he got a substantial power up that's still inferior to Vegeta, that ain't going to be a 1.1x boost from Semi Cell to Fake Ki Cell.

 

[ahill1]

Well, #16 stated that Cell got a considerable increase but that he is still inferior to Vegeta in every way. I would qualify a 1.25x increase as a substantial one, that's a Vegeta vs Dodoria type of gap:

Semi Cell (full power) : 10
Perfect Cell : 12.5
Vegeta SSJG2 : 14

 

[ahill1]

Hmm, but I was considering Semi Cell was about as strong as SSJ Vegeta in my gaps above. He should definitely be a little above.

 

[p123]

Sure. Which puts it at about a 2x boost. How strong do you have Semi Cell Initially?

 

[Victorious]

They can both be a 3x boost. Seems realistic.

So u have Grade 3 6x standard SSJ?

 

[ahill1]

Sure. Which puts it at about a 2x boost. How strong do you have Semi Cell Initially?

Semi Cell initially would be slightly weaker than SSJ Vegeta, whereas full power Semi Cell would be slightly stronger than SSJ Vegeta, which would already be denoted as a considerable jump in power... going from below SSJ Vegeta to above him, even though the gaps are kida tight together.

 

[p123]

That's BS. With your chart it should be...



Grade 2 Vegeta 140
Fake Ki Cell 130
Semi Cell FP 100
Semi Cell Initial 75
SSJ Vegeta 70

Grade 2 is without a doubt a 2x gap.

 

[ahill1]

I think I should increase grade 2 to a 1.5x boost then.

Semi Cell (initial) : 90
Vegeta SSJ : 100
Semi Cell (full power) : 110
Perfect Cell (fake chi) : 135~140
Vegeta SSJG2 : 150

 

[p123]

Super Saiyan Vegeta should not be stronger than Semi Cell. Trunks implies that he would have to turn into "that" at some point. If I'm giving anyone the edge here, it's Semi Cell. Vegeta can tussle with him for sure, but Vegeta is inferior.

Grade 2 has one of the longest power ups in the series, a ton of characters in the chain between himself and the transformation, I think people just love to hate on the transformation itself.

 

[ahill1]

He implied Vegeta should turn into that at some point probably because he thinks Semi Cell is still hiding his true power, as seen by the fact that he isn't surprised when Cell reveals it. Why would he be surprised by Vegeta turning into a SSJ if he would be at disadvantage against initial Semi Cell? The fact that he is surprised should indicate that SSJ is already enough to deal with the level Semi Cell was outputting... it doesn't make sense for him to be surprised if SSJ Vegeta would be at a disadvantage or dead even with Cell, because if that was the case transforming would be the expected thing to do.

 

[p123]

Meh... I don't know if he expects Cell to power up. All I took that as was that Vegeta didn't need to transform right then and there. If Vegeta is within range to have a good fight, I could see him having the warm up in Super Saiyan.

I think you are really reaching with that suggestion. Vegeta seemed a bit surprised by the power up. Show the sequence.

 

[ahill1]

Well, if Vegeta couldn't take the upperhand, shouldn't transforming being the expected thing so he could show off his domincance? Although yeah, it's possible Trunks expected him to have a little warm up against Cell, hence his surprise at him transforming soon. So maybe them (Vegeta ssj and initial Semi Cell) being around the same power does work.