Can someone prove that Gotenks SSJ3 > Gogeta SSJ

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The Daizenshuu says Full-Power Goku can't beat Kid Boo. Your ridiculous attempts at twisting the statement won't change that. It means Goku couldn't beat him. Period. You said it tells the same story but you're here changing the statement to fit your own logic.

Vegeta's referring to an attack, nitwit. Goku never gathered all of his Chi in the form of an attack. Try again.

Goku said he was going all-out, which means he started at full-power. Goku said he'd need to train to defeat Kid Boo if he returned in the future. Goku isn't above Kid Boo. Try again.

The Potara is stronger, Vegito and Gogeta are equal in power, but the imbalance greatly favors Gogeta. Yeah, my IQ sunk a little reading that crap.

Lol, everyone knows you're the originator of that shitty "perfect the dance" theory. Stop playing dumb.
 

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Goku seems slightly stronger than Kid Boo considering he could still take Boo's KHH head-on and then blow him apart with his own blast while fatigued imo
 

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Goku landed more hits than Kid Boo too.............so there's that.
 

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No, I didn't change the statement. SSJ3 is Goku's full power. Goku could not beat Pure Boo as an SSJ3, but he could beat him after charging his ki and becoming a full power SSJ3 as stated by Goku himself.

Vegeta didn't say anything about his ki never specifically being in a ki attack. He stated that his ki was never gathered, period. Stop adding layers to the statement. He was going to launch an attack once he got to that empowered state, but he was never in that state in the first place. Concession accepted for restating defeated points constantly.

The Dance is stated to be better balanced. The Potara is stated to be stronger. Can you comprehend that? Gogeta is officially stated to be capable of beating Vegito due to making the best use of the fusee's power. Can you comprehend that? Of course not. You're under the impression that your "logic" is worth anything.

No, I didn't say anything about Goten and Trunks "perfecting the dance after the Rosat". Pure autism on your end, just like all of your posts.
 

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I dunno. Kid Boo regenerating and twerking tells me the KMHMH really didn't matter.
 

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With a form as draining as SSJ3 you'd think Boo would take a noticeable edge by the time Galu starts to tire out though, which doesn't seem to happen in the manga. I agree SSJ3 Galu can't defeat Boo without charging that full power attack, but he's probably a bit stronger going by his performance.
 

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Kid Buu's KHH is weak as fuck because he learned a weak as fuck KHH from Goku. Kid Buu has Saiyan Saga level KHH, pure garbage.
 

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p123 said:
Kid Buu's KHH is weak as fuck because he learned a weak as fuck KHH from Goku. Kid Buu has Saiyan Saga level KHH, pure garbage.

What the fuck are you talking about, boy?
 

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supersaiyangodgogeta said:
No, I didn't change the statement. SSJ3 is Goku's full power. Goku could not beat Pure Boo as an SSJ3, but he could beat him after charging his ki and becoming a full power SSJ3 as stated by Goku himself.

Vegeta didn't say anything about his ki never specifically being in a ki attack. He stated that his ki was never gathered, period. Stop adding layers to the statement. He was going to launch an attack once he got to that empowered state, but he was never in that state in the first place. Concession accepted for restating defeated points constantly.

The Dance is stated to be better balanced. The Potara is stated to be stronger. Can you comprehend that? Gogeta is officially stated to be capable of beating Vegito due to making the best use of the fusee's power. Can you comprehend that? Of course not. You're under the impression that your "logic" is worth anything.

No, I didn't say anything about Goten and Trunks "perfecting the dance after the Rosat". Pure autism on your end, just like all of your posts.

Yeah, you did change it. In fact, you added your own personal opinion to it to change the meaning of the statement.

"Even a full power Goku can't defeat him" means Goku can't beat Kid Boo. It doesn't say anything about Super Saiyan 3 alone being his full-power. It just says "full power" and leaves it at that. Not your shitty substitute of it talking about a certain aspect of Super Saiyan 3 and ignoring another. Get that crap outta here. By Goku's own admission, he can't beat Kid Boo one-on-one. Stated by the end of the fight. Goku needs to start training so he wouldn't lose if Kid Boo decided to appear again. That means Goku isn't above Kid Boo, clown. It's not hard to understand.

The Daizenshuu: Goku can't beat Kid Boo at full-power
The Story: Goku can't beat Kid Boo one-on-one and needs to train to do so

The conclusion? Goku isn't stronger than Kid Boo.

Piccolo said a confident Gohan would be stronger than him, too. Gohan went a step further and tapped into his enraged power. That never stopped you from spouting stupid shit like Piccolo>Gohan, so please miss me with that "he said" nonsense. Apparently it's only factual when you want it to be.

Vegeta is talking about Goku wiping him out by gathering his Chi in the form of an attack, moron. He's not referring to a state. He's specifically telling him gather all of his Chi and wipe him out with an obviously concentrated attack. Goku never used anything outside of a quick KMHMH against Kid Boo, so yes, he referring to a full-power KMHMH. Goku never attempted one in the entire battle. Goku did say he was going to start the battle all-out, so that means he started at full-power.

Old Kaioshin says the Potara would create a greater effect than Fusion. So in the actual story, Vegito>Gogeta. The whole balanced nonsense is your own interpretation, which is the last thing anyone should bother trying to understand.

Lol, "autism" is getting banned from countless forums and trying to return under different names. Don't play yourself, girlie. You're a known shit-poster who thinks he's a know it all despite being wrong 99% of the time.
 

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Majin Buu learned how to do a weak as fuck Kamehameha from Goku, and never learned how to do the "full power" one. Stated in the manga.
 

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Evil Vegeta said:
Yeah, you did change it. In fact, you added your own personal opinion to it to change the meaning of the statement.

"Even a full power Goku can't defeat him" means Goku can't beat Kid Boo. It doesn't say anything about Super Saiyan 3 alone being his full-power. It just says "full power" and leaves it at that. Not your shitty substitute of it talking about a certain aspect of Super Saiyan 3 and ignoring another. Get that crap outta here. By Goku's own admission, he can't beat Kid Boo one-on-one. Stated by the end of the fight. Goku needs to start training so he wouldn't lose if Kid Boo decided to appear again. That means Goku isn't above Kid Boo, clown. It's not hard to understand if you adhere to the Daizenshuu.
Goku stated that he could kill Boo at full power. You're ignoring statements, not reconciling them. The rest of your drivel was countered. Concession accepted.
Piccolo said a confident Gohan would be stronger than him, too. Gohan went a step further and tapped into his enraged power. That never stopped you from spouting stupid shit like Piccolo>Gohan, so please miss me with that "he said" nonsense. Apparently it's only factual when you want it to be.
Irrelevant and your nonsense was already shut down. Piccolo's official power level is higher than Gohan's. When you stop saying stupid shit in order to deny the obvious, that's the time a proper discussion can be had.
Vegeta is talking about Goku wiping him out by gathering his Chi in the form of an attack, moron. He's not referring to a state. He's specifically telling him gather all of his Chi and wipe him out with an obviously concentrated attack. Goku never used anything outside of a quick KMHMH against Kid Boo, so yes, he referring to a full-power KMHMH. Goku never attempted one in the entire battle. Goku did say he was going to start the battle all-out, so that means he started at full-power.
It's literally stated that Goku was going to get to full power then fire off a blast while at full power. Nobody can be this dumb. Goku went all out. And? This isn't relevant to the fact that he can't use a max power SSJ3 without charging ki for a minute. Retarded point. Concession accepted.

Old Kaioshin says the Potara would create a greater effect than Fusion. So in the actual story, Vegito>Gogeta. The whole balanced nonsense is your own interpretation, which is the last thing anyone should bother trying to understand.

You're just extrapolating Elder Kai's statement to mean that. The Potara being stronger simply means that it's stronger than Fusion. The Dance is better balanced.

The Dance being stated to be better balanced is just my own interpretation? Yeah, that's how I know you've completely lost your mind. Good thing we have the actual scan that you can review as many times as it takes for you to understand.
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夢の対決!!
ゴジータVSベジット!!どちらが宇宙最強!?
最強のライバル同士が心をひとつにして合体するF(フュージョン)の方がバランスもよく、パワーを最大限まで引き出せる!! 従って30分内の短期決戦ならゴジータが、長期戦ならベジットが勝つハズ!!
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Dream matchup!!
Gogeta vs. Vegetto!! Which one is the strongest in the universe?!
Fusion [i.e., with the Fusion dance], where the mightiest rivals merge with their hearts as one, is better balanced and can draw out their power to the greatest extent!! Therefore, in a short battle of less than 30 minutes, Gogeta should win, while in a longer fight, Vegetto should!!

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=15533&start=1840#p1129625

I know you aren't going to listen though. You're going to ignore it in the face of "logic", your absolutely ass backwards logic.
Lol, "autism" is getting banned from countless forums and trying to return under different names. Don't play yourself, girlie. You're a known shit-poster who thinks he's a know it all despite being wrong 99% of the time.
I don't know who you think I am, but I don't have any alts. You're paranoid. Though if your arguments were always this pathetic and biased, I can understand why you might have some PTSD towards anyone who consistently handed your ass to you in any discussion. Either way, I can comfortably say that I walked away the victor. You keep responding to me spewing idiocy 24/7 trying to 1 up me, then get mad when I shut you down. This has happened multiple times by now, not just in this discussion. I suggest you find a way to get over it. Concession accepted. This discussion is over.
 

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Goku couldn't beat Kid Boo at full-power. The Daizenshuu says this. That's it. There are no particulars in the statement. Goku couldn't beat Kid Boo alone without any additional training. Stated in the story by Goku himself. That means if Kid Boo returned, Goku wasn't in a position to defeat him alone unless he got stronger. Goku isn't above Kid Boo. Time to build a bridge and get over it.

You didn't do shit, lol. You kept saying Piccolo was stronger despite the story obviously showing Gohan was stronger. That's only one example of your ridiculous cherry-picking.

Goku started out at full-power and loss a ridiculous amount of Chi thanks to Super Saiyan 3 eating up his Chi in a living body. The fact that you think this is the equivalent of never fighting at full-power shows how limited your understanding of the story is. Goku says he had to go all-out or it was over. Goku never gathered his Chi and attempted to wipe Kid Boo out because he didn't have a chance. Goku in the middle of the fight was battle worn and no longer at full-power. Stop being stupid. By Goku's own admission, he can't beat Kid Boo alone. Stated by the end of the battle. You know how he can beat Kid Boo alone? By training and getting stronger. That means his original assessment is wrong and contradicted. In other words, hold that L.

There's no extrapolating, fool. If the Potara produces an effect greater than Fusion, it means it's a superior Fusion. Common sense.

Then that scan means the Potara would produce a warrior inferior to Fusion, contradicting what the Old Kaioshin and your lovely Daizenshuu say on the matter.

You do have alts, troll. You post exactly like that guy and even use words in a similar fashion. That arrogance is way too obvious, and he's the only guy who would claim victory even when he's shit-posting and getting bodied left and right. Get that weak ass shit outta here.
 

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It's simple, if the fusion dance has a consistent multiplier which should be the default belief and is implied by Goku being able to predict Gotenks' strength, then SSJ3 Gotenks > SSJ Gogeta
 

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Yes it has and that's depend on individual's full power In other words Golu and Vegeta's full power are far greater than the kids which eliminates the argument of Fathers/Sons gap is similar to their fusion.

The fact that SSjin Gokhan is strong enough to take out Bootenks who is twice stronger than SSjin3 Gotenks tells us how the fusion of adults is completely on new other level.
 

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Yes. It has to be full power.

Metamoran Super Saiyan Gokan > Buutenks

And Base Gokan Potara >> BUutenks
 

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Who ever said it was only ssj1 gokan? If goku fuse in base form with Gohan they can transform after in whatever form.
And Gokhan ssj1 can't be compared to gogeta or vegeto ssj1. It is like a fusion between Goku And Satan.
Ultimate gohan is special. If they fuse, it won't be like goku's part of the fusion gain mystic too. It is a potential revelator used on Gohan only, not a transformation and they don't have the same potential. Goku without his ssj3 is more like a Bonus.


For Goku ssj3 full power. He is using his full power against kid buu.
Saying that his full power kamehameha after charging his ki is his full power is like saying that piccolo's 1330 using makanposapo is his full power too.
 

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xmysticgohanx said:
It's simple, if the fusion dance has a consistent multiplier which should be the default belief and is implied by Goku being able to predict Gotenks' strength, then SSJ3 Gotenks > SSJ Gogeta

Yes,because ssj3 goten>ssj vegeta
 

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If a fusion result is based on "full power" then why are [Pre-RoSaT] Gotenks and [Pre-RoSaT] SSJ Gotenks any different?
 

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