Can someone prove that Gotenks SSJ3 > Gogeta SSJ

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Dragon15 said:
And Gokhan ssj1 can't be compared to gogeta or vegeto ssj1. It is like a fusion between Goku And Satan.
Ultimate gohan is special. If they fuse, it won't be like goku's part of the fusion gain mystic too. It is a potential revelator used on Gohan only, not a transformation and they don't have the same potential. Goku without his ssj3 is more like a Bonus.
Was the Satan part a typo?

The reason they're compared is because we're comparing Metamoran Gokhan and Gogeta. In the case of Fusion dance, Gohan would have to supress his Ki to equal Goku's in order for the Fusion to occur, thus making it little different to if someone equal to Goku like Vegeta fused with him.

Unless you're arguing about something else to do with Gokhan and I'm missing something. :idk
 

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In order to strike the finishing blow, Goku needed to accumulate ki for close to one minute. For that, Vegeta launches a do-or-die attack on Buu.
From D2. Dunno if it matters at this point. Make of it what you will.
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
Dragon15 said:
And Gokhan ssj1 can't be compared to gogeta or vegeto ssj1. It is like a fusion between Goku And Satan.
Ultimate gohan is special. If they fuse, it won't be like goku's part of the fusion gain mystic too. It is a potential revelator used on Gohan only, not a transformation and they don't have the same potential. Goku without his ssj3 is more like a Bonus.
Was the Satan part a typo?

The reason they're compared is because we're comparing Metamoran Gokhan and Gogeta. In the case of Fusion dance, Gohan would have to supress his Ki to equal Goku's in order for the Fusion to occur, thus making it little different to if someone equal to Goku like Vegeta fused with him.

Unless you're arguing about something else to do with Gokhan and I'm missing something. :idk


Satan was to say that Gohan is much more powerful than Goku. If he has to suppress his power, his mystic power becomes useless.
Gohan is so powerful he can beat Gotenks ssj3. So if fusion is linear, gokan ssj3 without mystic is not that much more powerful than Gohan by himself

Even myself I agree my post was not clear.
 

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We don't know how would Gohan and Golu will fuse with that gap of power but Golu and Elder Kaioshin agrees that the fusion can still work.
 

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But Goku asked if he should turn into SSjin before using the Potara which could impliy that he's planning to turn into SSjin on Metamorian fusion with Gohan as well.
 

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Since you don't need to be at the same power for potala, Gohan doesn't need to lower his power so Goku In ssj1 can be enough. Even more if potala is stronger.
It is not the same situation.
 

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He knows, kaioshin already told him. But he doesn't know that you can use ssj after the fusion. Metamoran or potala. He never did it himself or saw the kids do it. He must have thought that they could use ssj3 without fusion.
And why should Gohan lower himself to ssj1?
 

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Damn I forgot about that.

Doesn't matter anyway, Goku thought it would require a SSjin Potara Gokhan to take out Bootenks but Elder Kaioshin told him that Base Gokhan is ''plenty'' enough to beat Bootenks. So in other words, Goku didn't knew before hand that Potara is stronger than the Metamorian fusion until Elder Kaioshin told him.

Gohan lowering his power was for fusion to work and this is one of the evidence in why Gohan is not far stronger than Goku like most of the fans claimed.
 

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Goku only talked about ssj1 after learning about potala.
And buutenks is not a fusion. It is an absorbtion so if both super buu And Gotenks are weaker than Gohan So buutenks is not even 2x stronger than Gohan, So a little fusion with Goku ssj1 is plenty enough to become stronger than him and beat him. And kaioshin said that it is even more powerful than that and that they don't even need ssj1. Gohan doesn't need to lower his power. It is like a fusion between à ssj1 And a ssj4. And they don't become weaker because of the gap.
 

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Gohan lower his power to ssj3 for the fusion dance. It doesn't mean he has to lower it only a little. In fact the gap must be so big it should be easier to fuse both in base form.
 

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Still wonder why Goku thought he and Gohan needed to transform into Super Saiyans to merge.
 

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For power, duh.

He expected his fusion with Gohan to require Super Saiyan to defeat Buu. Easy.
 

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I'm not talking about that. You misunderstood me.

I'm talking about him questioning if he and Gohan needed to transform before merging. Gohan obviously couldn't transform anymore because all of his power was unleashed.
 

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He thought they needed to transform prior to fusing because in Metamoran, they can't transform. At least not without training.
 

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