Chi-Chi in the 23rd Budokai

[Diamond Ryan]

I've always wondered about where to place her strength-wise. On one hand, she was able to give Goku much more trouble than Chappa was, but she was also unable to keep up with speed on par with Piccolo Daimao's. Where do you place her?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Higher than Old Piccolo-Daimao.

And also I think at the very least she should be above Drum, putting her below Master-Roshi is kind-of facking stupid (my opinion).

 

[Diamond Ryan]

I'd put her a notch below Tao. Doesn't Roshi look pretty shocked when Goku defeats her as easily as he does?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I'd put her a notch below Tao. Doesn't Roshi look pretty shocked when Goku defeats her as easily as he does?

I can't remember, but I also think he looked shocked because Goku could do something like that to begin with. But he does call her a master.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

Goku's technique probably had a lot more power than simply waving his hand, like what Roshi did to Yamcha in the 21st Budokai. This could mean the gap between Chi-Chi and Goku is smaller than the gap between Yamcha and Roshi. (Although I think Goku was holding back)

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Goku's technique probably had a lot more power than simply waving his hand, like what Roshi did to Yamcha in the 21st Budokai. This could mean the gap between Chi-Chi and Goku is smaller than the gap between Yamcha and Roshi. (Although I think Goku was holding back)

Yeah, Goku also still wore his weighted-clothing.

 

[Tapion]

I say that she is Old Daimao tier.

 

[Animelover5487]

Weighted Goku (Speed) >~ Piccolo Daimao (Young, Full Power) >~ Krillin >~ Yamcha > Piccolo Daimao (Young, Initial) > Cyborg Tao > Chi-Chi >~ Piccolo Daimao (Old) > Yajirobe > Chaozu

That's how I see it.

 

[ahill1]

Chi Chi was stronger than Chapa-o (23rd Budokai), who was already considerably stronger than the Goku who beat him in the last tournament, who was stronger than 22nd Budokai Chapa-o, which strength was already greater than that of post-Karin training Goku.

Chi Chi >> Chapa-o >> Goku (22nd Budokai/suppressed) >> Chapa-o (22nd Budokai) > Goku (Uranai Baba)

^This is at the very least. Based on Chi-Chi making Goku weighted (although heavily suppressed, at least >>> his 22nd Budokai self, imo) exert a bit of effort, I'd say she was at least at Drum's strength, but probably even higher than that.

 

[DBZAOTA482]

Definitely stronger than King Chappa, Chiaotzu and maybe Yajirobe but definitely weaker than Piccolo, Kami, and the other Z-Warriors.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Two thirds of Weighted Goku, since she was equal to Goku without his focus (yuuki).

 

[sei'taer]

I don't even.

There's literally nothing in the manga to put her remotely close to any of the other Z senshi. Goku easily dodges her attacks and defeats her without landing a blow. Other than Roshi saying she's adept Chi-chi is a joke at the 23rd.

Plus if she was really that strong she'd have shown up on the scouter in the saiyan saga.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

I don't even.

There's literally nothing in the manga to put her remotely close to any of the other Z senshi. Goku easily dodges her attacks and defeats her without landing a blow. Other than Roshi saying she's adept Chi-chi is a joke at the 23rd.

Plus if she was really that strong she'd have shown up on the scouter in the saiyan saga.

Shouldn't Chaozu have shown up on the scouter then, since he is implied to be stronger than Roshi.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I don't even.

There's literally nothing in the manga to put her remotely close to any of the other Z senshi. Goku easily dodges her attacks and defeats her without landing a blow. Other than Roshi saying she's adept Chi-chi is a joke at the 23rd.

Plus if she was really that strong she'd have shown up on the scouter in the saiyan saga.

Shouldn't Chaozu have shown up on the scouter then, since he is implied to be stronger than Roshi.

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[sei'taer]

I don't even.

There's literally nothing in the manga to put her remotely close to any of the other Z senshi. Goku easily dodges her attacks and defeats her without landing a blow. Other than Roshi saying she's adept Chi-chi is a joke at the 23rd.

Plus if she was really that strong she'd have shown up on the scouter in the saiyan saga.

Shouldn't Chaozu have shown up on the scouter then, since he is implied to be stronger than Roshi.

You got me there.

Still Chi-chi doesn't have any statements or feats that put her in 22nd budokai/old piccolo level. She can't even follow the fights.

 

[Papasmurf]

Definitely below Yamcha and Kuririn as shown. It's hard to make much out of her feats when Goku spent the entire fight frantically dodging while asking questions and one-shotted her with an air punch when he felt like it.

I'd say she surpassed 22nd Chappa mainly because Goku had no trouble defeating him while precisely holding back 3 years ago, not sure what to do with her after that.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Definitely below Yamcha and Kuririn as shown. It's hard to make much out of her feats when Goku spent the entire fight frantically dodging while asking questions and one-shotted her with an air punch when he felt like it.

I'd say she surpassed 22nd Chappa mainly because Goku had no trouble defeating him while precisely holding back 3 years ago, not sure what to do with her after that.

just put her above old piccolo-daimao maybe

 

[Papasmurf]

IDK, I can buy her being stronger than 22nd Goku mainly because that fight probably got broadcasted and she thought she wouldn't lose easily to a grown up Goku, but basically none of her feats show she's strong as a guy that forced Roshi to give up his life 3 years ago and raped Goku (arguably stronger than he was at the tournament) while under half power.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

IDK, I can buy her being stronger than 22nd Goku mainly because that fight probably got broadcasted and she thought she wouldn't lose easily to a grown up Goku, but basically none of her feats show she's strong as a guy that forced Roshi to give up his life 3 years ago and raped Goku (arguably stronger than he was at the tournament) while under half power.

If thought her fight did, but a-lot of people say it had more to do with the circumstances.

 

[Papasmurf]

Well Roshi does call her very skilled at martial arts, but he said similar things about say Chaozu in the 22nd despite being weaker than he is. Her fight is also hard to glean anything out of since Goku was flabbergasted that this stranger knew who he was when he couldn't even remember her name and didn't strike back until he decided to one-shot her because she told him she'd reveal who she was after that.